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Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:08 pm to
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:08 pm to
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Speaking of, I think the driver was having a little crisis of faith.

I was thinking the same thing during that scene.

It was like something clicked after Mothma's speech but maybe not, maybe he just realized she was gonna try to flee
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Mothma’s speech and escape were so well done. I was interested to see how they would incorporate existing details of her escape from Rebels and they did it perfectly. The transfer to Gold Squadron was a nice nod.

Yeah
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Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 7:19 pm to
Episode 10 begins

"1 year later"

Perrin

Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 8:43 pm to
Those last two episodes were great tied up several arcs. Dedra killed it literally and figuratively speaking. Looking forward to K2SO and Cassian’s buddy cop last three episodes.
Posted by Corinthians420
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:15 pm to

this guy was only in the show for a couple minutes but had an entire arc haha

When he started singing and everyone joined in i actually had hope he was gonna be able to deesculate for a minute despute knowing it couldn't go down that way
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 9:18 pm
Posted by DMagic
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:18 pm to
They even let will get a little Ghor booty on the side. These last trilogy of episodes should be gut wrenching. Also lol at the Gilroys trying to make chicken salad out of the chicken shite JJ Abrams stupid force healing nonsense from the sequel trilogy
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 9:35 pm to
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Episode 10 begins

"1 year later"

Perrin




I feel like they have to spend at least 1 or 2 minutes writing him off. He can't just disappear with no explanation. Even if it's just showing him being interrogated at the start E10, at least we can assume he got put down.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:06 pm to
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Gilroy was on The Watch (Ringer pod) and talked about how this particular arc was drastically changed because of budget reasons. I think this shows with the fact that we didn't have a scene or two with Lonnie keeping Luthen informed, and Wilmon just showing up to the safe house injured when he was fine when Cassian left him on Ghorman. They probably wanted to shoot more battle scenes but couldn't make it work.

I’m honestly not sure whether a bigger budget / more battle scenes would have actually made this arc better. That would have meant cutting time elsewhere. Yeah we could have seen how Wil got hurt and escaped but that would have meant either changing the Ghorman massacre episode (which I thought was nearly perfect) or cutting away from Coruscant at some point in episode 9. I think keeping episode 9 entirely in Coruscant was the right move. I suppose episode 7 is probably where they could have cut some fluff but honestly I think the arc is fantastic as-is.

So what loose ends do we think still need to be tied up between now and Rogue One?
- Perrin’s fate
- Luthen/Kleya
- Dedra
- Wil
- Lonnie
- Maybe something else with Bix but sounds like she’s done
- Something else is going to push Cassian all-in (past trying to live to see Bix again) if it’s not Bix
- What am I missing?

A couple of other thoughts:
- I thought having Bix make the decision for Cassian was a bold but well-executed choice. They did a good job of building her up to that decision, and a good job of building him up to be ready to accept sticking around after she left.
- This show has really done a fantastic job of furthering the premise of Rogue One - the fact that there’s an entire movement happening in the background of the original trilogy. Luke might be the hero of the trilogy but he gets nowhere if not for people like Cassian, Luthen, Kleya, Mon, and the rest. It adds a huge amount of context to the original story that I haven’t really thought about until now.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:41 pm to
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I’m honestly not sure whether a bigger budget / more battle scenes would have actually made this arc better. That would have meant cutting time elsewhere. Yeah we could have seen how Wil got hurt and escaped but that would have meant either changing the Ghorman massacre episode (which I thought was nearly perfect) or cutting away from Coruscant at some point in episode 9. I think keeping episode 9 entirely in Coruscant was the right move. I suppose episode 7 is probably where they could have cut some fluff but honestly I think the arc is fantastic as-is.


Oh I agree. I'm not trying to say this arc suffered for it. But, if I remember correctly, Gilroy specifically said something like "you're going to notice it" when referring to stuff they had to re-think because of budget. I think those two incidents are probably the biggest ones, but I'm guessing and could be wrong.

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So what loose ends do we think still need to be tied up between now and Rogue One?


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- Perrin’s fate


I agree they probably owe it to everyone to have at least something to show how it ends for these two, but I think the Empire is going to be watching him so closely it won't be a safe thing to even reach out to Perrin. And honestly, even if Mon tried to extract her family, would they want to go with her?

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- Luthen/Kleya


I think almost all of us are leaning Luthen being killed. Maybe Kleya, but they can treat her story kind of like with Bix, have her go somewhere else or just call it quits like Cassian wanted to do.

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- Dedra


she ded, Cassian or Wilmon will hopefully get their chance again. Even though she obviously felt some kind of remorse for Ghorman, her sins are too great to let her walk IMO.

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- Wil


They can go either way with him. He is Cassian's only remaining link to home, so losing Wilmon will probably just be another blow Cassian will have to carry.

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- Lonnie


Probably captured and killed. He's in so deep, he'll be found out eventually.

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- Something else is going to push Cassian all-in (past trying to live to see Bix again) if it’s not Bix


Wilmon could be that.

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- What am I missing?


Vel. She's training new recruits so she'll either just be off doing something else or will be part of some mission, maybe she gets roped back in to working for Luthen, and dies that way.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 10:45 pm
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 10:44 pm to
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this guy was only in the show for a couple minutes but had an entire arc haha



A lot of his story could have been cut as well. It was clear they were spending a lot of time focusing on him, during the first meeting Syril went to, the heist when Cinta got killed, and in this scene leading them in the anthem.
Posted by Handsome Pete
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:10 pm to
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What I think will happen is Syril and Cassian will cross paths, Cassian will have a reaction similar to what Gorst had with Bix ("do I know you?"), and considering Syril jizzed himself when Partagaz complimented him, he'll have a minor coronary when finally coming face to face with his white whale, will fumble to remove a blaster from his holster, Cassian will smoke him, move along, and that will be the end of Syril.


Very close, have to give you credit. I really wanted Syril to have a more fulfilling redemption arc. RIP
Posted by Handsome Pete
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:19 pm to
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Gilroys trying to make chicken salad out of the chicken shite JJ Abrams stupid force healing nonsense from the sequel trilogy
Imwas thinking the same thing
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:31 am to
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Maybe Kleya, but they can treat her story kind of like with Bix, have her go somewhere else or just call it quits like Cassian wanted to do

Hard for me to imagine her bailing on Luthen willingly, she’s a true believer.

I wonder if we get any additional backstory on Luthen and Kleya. It seems like we really don’t know any more about them today than we did in season 1. Maybe Disney’s keeping that powder dry for another show in the future.
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Vel. She's training new recruits so she'll either just be off doing something else or will be part of some mission, maybe she gets roped back in to working for Luthen, and dies that way.

Ah yeah. Forgot about Vel. As much screen time as they’ve given her, it seems like she has to get some kind of closure even if she doesn’t actually die.

Also.. it just occurred to me that if they do another 1 year time jump for the final arc, it’ll be right before Rogue One. Sticking that landing might be the trickiest part of the entire series.
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:40 am to
This show is making the best Star Wars movie (other than original trilogy) even better
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:40 am to
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Hard for me to imagine her bailing on Luthen willingly, she’s a true believer.


I mean in the event that Luthen gets killed like we're all expecting. I can see her continuing Luthen's clandestine operation after he's gone, off in the background.
Posted by lostinbr
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 7:47 am to
Yeah, I can see that for sure.
Posted by Mickey Goldmill
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:42 am to
It's been a while since I watched Rogue One, but do the Rebels already know about the Death Star at the start of that movie or is that something we will see them learning in these last 3 episodes?
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:49 am to
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Also lol at the Gilroys trying to make chicken salad out of the chicken shite JJ Abrams stupid force healing nonsense from the sequel trilogy


I would actually extend this to the Mandoverse as well. The amount of lifting all of these shows do for the sequel trilogy is pretty hilarious
Posted by CP3forMVP
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:50 am to
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It's been a while since I watched Rogue One, but do the Rebels already know about the Death Star at the start of that movie or is that something we will see them learning in these last 3 episodes?


They know about it already. There's actually footage in the trailers for this season that show them learning about the Death Star.
Posted by sicboy
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 8:58 am to
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There's actually footage in the trailers for this season that show them learning about the Death Star.


Yeah, there's a scene with Kleya exclaiming "it's a weapon....they're building a weapon".


The Death Star construction must have been very hush hush within the empire as well, or with the ISB. Early in season 1 Lonnie indicated his request for added security measures was for an increase in supply shipments to Scarif. But if he knew about the Death Star, he would have told Luthen.
Posted by TigerFanatic99
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Posted on 5/8/25 at 9:25 am to
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The Death Star construction must have been very hush hush within the empire as well, or with the ISB. Early in season 1 Lonnie indicated his request for added security measures was for an increase in supply shipments to Scarif. But if he knew about the Death Star, he would have told Luthen.


If you read the Thrawn novels, which are Canon, it becomes clear that it was incredibly secret. Thrawn as one of only a few Grand Admirals even had an incredibly hard time learning about it and basically had to figure it out for himself.
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