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re: American Horror Story S2 Finale

Posted on 1/24/13 at 7:44 am to
Posted by prplngldtigr
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 7:44 am to
Cool, cool...not a theory I'm supporting, but good discussion.
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 7:46 am to
Lana is not Bloodyface. She was just admitting in the end that she was not innocent in the whole thing. She went looking for evil and found it. She gave up her son and kept looking to better her career. Basically Sister Jude was warning her that if you go looking for evil, you will find it but it will also find you.
Posted by ladytiger118
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 7:46 am to
I think the ending scene showed that Lana was no better than the rest of them. She willingly went in to Briarcliff, knowing she could get caught. She essentially brought it all on herself but got her story. She probably should've raised BF Jr. to give him a chance but she was traumitized and too consumed in her career to do that. The 1975 flashback made me think she had a guilty conscience for giving him up for adoption.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:14 am to
I don't understand where the discussion even comes into play that Lana was bloodyface

NOTHING in the season led us to believe that...
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:43 am to
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I think the ending scene showed that Lana was no better than the rest of them. She willingly went in to Briarcliff, knowing she could get caught. She essentially brought it all on herself but got her story. She probably should've raised BF Jr. to give him a chance but she was traumitized and too consumed in her career to do that. The 1975 flashback made me think she had a guilty conscience for giving him up for adoption.


I agree, I just think the other theory is intriguing
Posted by noonan
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:53 am to
quote:

Lana is not Bloodyface. She was just admitting in the end that she was not innocent in the whole thing. She went looking for evil and found it. She gave up her son and kept looking to better her career. Basically Sister Jude was warning her that if you go looking for evil, you will find it but it will also find you.


I can go with that.

I wasn't saying I thought for sure lana was Bloodyface. It was just something that that last scene made me think. Glad someone else came away with the same idea.
Posted by Baloo
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:56 am to
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Lana is not Bloodyface. She was just admitting in the end that she was not innocent in the whole thing. She went looking for evil and found it. She gave up her son and kept looking to better her career. Basically Sister Jude was warning her that if you go looking for evil, you will find it but it will also find you.

It was a warning, told from experience. I view Sister Jude as the primary protagonist of this season, and when she went looking for evil and human misery, she found it and was surrounded by it. It was not until she was rescued by Kit that she found six months of peace and joy -- because she was looking for that. She was telling Lana to leave so that she would not fall into the same morass of human misery she had also fallen into.

I loved the end, as it fit one of my primary criticisms of TV right now -- there are too many shows about horrible, miserable people who do horrible, miserable things and then wonder why they are horrible and miserable (Mad Men is by far the worst offender, mainly because Breaking Bad wants us to recoil from Walt). Here, Lana took responsibility for her own horror and misery. Sure, it was out of proportion to her actual sins, but she went looking for misery, and she found it.

In the final scene, she takes responsibility for it. She even took responsibility earlier for making a sad, pathetic man into a cult hero of a monster. She won't talk about Bloody Face not out of fear, but because she has turned her back on seeking out misery and evil. It just rots at you, and Bloody Face, Jr. is rotting from the inside.

Time festers all wounds. If you seek medical help, the wound goes away and maybe becomes a scar. But if you keep picking at the wound, and never heal thyself, it gets worth. The wound gets infected and it rots the skin. That is what Lana did with her life. She rotted, while Kit healed himself. Kit sought joy, and he was rewarded by God (or aliens). Jude found salvation. Lana found more misery and death. She kept picking at her wound.

That's what Bloody Face Jr. got from his mother. the need to seek out evil and pain. Ultimately, it must destroy him. And once Lana cauterizes the wound, she can finally stop seeking out pain. She's retiring from her work, but she's also retiring from that part of her life. She has moved on.

I found it an uplifting ending, and one that we desperately need. Take responsibility for our own sufferings. Seek out joy, and you will find it.
Posted by noonan
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 8:57 am to
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I don't understand where the discussion even comes into play that Lana was bloodyface

NOTHING in the season led us to believe that...





Nothing this season led us to believe that. I just said, that last scene had that "usual suspects" feel to it.

There is probably nothing to it, I was a couple of glasses of wine in when I watched it. But, I wasn't the only person to have that reaction.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:00 am to
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I don't understand where the discussion even comes into play that Lana was bloodyface

NOTHING in the season led us to believe that...


This times 10,000. If Lana was
Bloodyface, that would be the single most important discovery of the whole season. It literally changes everything about the story To say that the writers would reveal something that incredibly huge in a vague flashback in the last 3 minutes of the season that's completely open to interpretation is ridiculous.

Someone mentioned The Usual Suspects. There was absolutely no doubt after the last scene that Kevin Spacey was Kaiser Soze. Nothing to debate at all. I'm not trying to sound like an a-hole, but if you told the writers about the theory of Lana being Bloodyface they would laugh at you.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:01 am to
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So you believe every scene with Threadson as Bloodyface was a fabrication?


Highly possible, did you watch the show it was almost impossible to figure out what was real and what wasn't.

quote:

Who committed the Bloodyface murders originally?


Lana, planned the whole thing from the start and used Briarcliff to set the hook in Threadson.

quote:

You think the scenes with the son of Bloodyface were a lie as well?


No, he was really her son and that's why he was a killer. That was the whole point of the "Part of me is in you, it's not your fault it's mine" line before she killled him.

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So, you are postulating that much of the entire season was just a fraud instead of just buying the plot as it was sold?


I think it's entirely possible and unlike you I actually think it would make it much better. As it was I was disappointed with the season and the ending way too crazy, but also very unoriginal and cheap. If it is truly "as it was sold" as you say then nothing really happened. At least Lana as Bloodyface would provide an element of surprise/twist and a bit of originality.
Posted by RandySavage
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:10 am to
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To say that the writers would reveal something that incredibly huge in a vague flashback in the last 3 minutes of the season that's completely open to interpretation is ridiculous.


It would fit right in line with the rest of the disorganized bats### crazy storyline of the entire season. The writers totally lost the plot. I think it's ridiculous to assume there was any rhyme or reason to the entire thing.

Lana might not have been, and probably wasn't Bloodyface, but it's not absurd to think it and it would have made for a more interesting ending imo.
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:10 am to
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Highly possible.

Do you know what this statement means?

quote:

did you watch the show it was almost impossible to figure out what was real and what wasn't.


No, actually it wasn't. It may have seemed foggy at first, but they spelled it all out pretty clearly.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:14 am to
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Lana, planned the whole thing from the start and used Briarcliff to set the hook in Threadson


LOLWUT...

So his torture basement was actually hers? She killed her gf while she was in the Asylum?
Posted by etm512
Mandeville, LA
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Baloo


Well said
Posted by etm512
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:19 am to
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That was the whole point of the "Part of me is in you, it's not your fault it's mine" line before she killled him.


No. That was just her taking responsibilty for her actions of giving him up. It would be easy to place the entire blame on the fact that the kid's father was a serial killer and that's why he's sick as well. But she took responsibility for it as well and "righted" her "wrong" so to speak
Posted by DVA Tailgater
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 9:56 am to
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I found it an uplifting ending, and one that we desperately need. Take responsibility for our own sufferings. Seek out joy, and you will find it.


Nice take on the finale.

I enjoyed the season as a whole, and think this finale was far superior to season 1. Even if you didn't care for the plot, the technical aspects of the finale were very impressive.
Posted by Lsut81
Member since Jun 2005
85335 posts
Posted on 1/24/13 at 10:00 am to
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I enjoyed the season as a whole, and think this finale was far superior to season 1. Even if you didn't care for the plot, the technical aspects of the finale were very impressive.



Give me Season 1 as a whole and Season 2 as a Finale....

Overall:

Season 1: B+ (Could have been higher w/ better finale)
Season 2: C (Would have been C- if not for decent finale)
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:05 am to
Now that I think about it...

The perfect song that should have been used in the background of Lana/Bloodyface Jr.


Bohemian Rhapsody

All I could hear when watching that scene over again.
Posted by L.A.
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Posted on 1/24/13 at 11:29 am to
Good summary Baloo.

Btw, fwiw, the line Sister Jude speaks at the end, about looking for evil, is a quote from Nietzsche. Here's the original quote:

quote:

"Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
Posted by Rittdog
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed
Member since Oct 2009
9955 posts
Posted on 1/24/13 at 12:09 pm to
When it comes to Season 3...

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