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Alec Baldwin to be charged with
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:52 am
involuntary manslaughter according to the Wall Street Journal.
Breaking: Prosecutors plan to charge Alec Baldwin with involuntary manslaughter over the shooting of a "Rust" cinematographer, a person familiar with the probe said
Breaking: Prosecutors plan to charge Alec Baldwin with involuntary manslaughter over the shooting of a "Rust" cinematographer, a person familiar with the probe said
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:55 am to boston vol
As he should.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 9:59 am to boston vol
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:25 am to boston vol
About time.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:51 am to boston vol
It’s absolutely ridiculous to me anyone can downvote this. Alec Baldwin grabbed the gun and pointed it at someone and pulled the trigger. Obviously no one thinks this was malicious but on the other side it is obviously a negligent manslaughter. He did himself no favors with his ridiculous excuses and lies. Everyone should want to see him treated as any other peasant in our country would be. But, because he says ridiculous commie shite on Twitter, they will defend a guy who was negligent in his hiring and his actions who then lied to everyone because they think he’s their friend.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 10:59 am to boston vol
Heard that Baldwin got an offer to play fauci in an upcoming biopic since he has first hand real life experience with administering fatal shots
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:03 am to td01241
There aren't too many people defending him though.
The production was obviously cutting corners which lead to unqualified people being in control of weapons and an overly lax attitude on set causing a tragic death.
His fate will probably come down to who made the decision to press forward w/a far too green armorer even though several crew had walked off set b/c they thought proper safety wasn't being followed.
I think it's worth remembering that John Landis was somehow able to slither away from killing 3 people while filming The Twilight Zone Movie and circumstances of that were far far worse than this so don't be surprised if Baldwin isn't convicted.
The production was obviously cutting corners which lead to unqualified people being in control of weapons and an overly lax attitude on set causing a tragic death.
His fate will probably come down to who made the decision to press forward w/a far too green armorer even though several crew had walked off set b/c they thought proper safety wasn't being followed.
I think it's worth remembering that John Landis was somehow able to slither away from killing 3 people while filming The Twilight Zone Movie and circumstances of that were far far worse than this so don't be surprised if Baldwin isn't convicted.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:07 am to Between TheHedges
quote:I'm about to RA every fricking political post on this board. keep that shite away.
Heard that Baldwin got an offer to play fauci in an upcoming biopic since he has first hand real life experience with administering fatal shots
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:09 am to boston vol
quote:Couldn’t fit it all in the subject line Hitchcock?
Alec Baldwin to be charged with
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:11 am to Dr RC
quote:
far too green armorer
Diversity hire tho.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:18 am to boston vol
Good chance of conviction here. A little New Mexico legal research.
So the question for the jury will be whether he committed a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.
This last one applies to driving, but I think the court could pull from the language "a particular state of mind that comprehends evidence of an utter irresponsibility on the part of the defendant or of a conscious abandonment of any consideration for the safety" in instructing the jury.
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Involuntary manslaughter consists of manslaughter committed in the commission of an unlawful act not amounting to felony, or in the commission of a lawful act which might produce death in an unlawful manner or without due caution and circumspection.
Whoever commits involuntary manslaughter is guilty of a fourth degree felony. NM Stat § 30-2-3 (2019)
So the question for the jury will be whether he committed a lawful act without due caution and circumspection.
quote:
The phrase "without due caution and circumspection" has been held to involve the concept of "criminal negligence," which concept includes conduct which is reckless, wanton or willful. State v. Grubbs, 1973-NMCA-096, 85 N.M. 365, 512 P.2d 693, overruled on other grounds, Santillanes v. State, 1993-NMSC-012, 115 N.M. 215, 849 P.2d 358; State v. Yarborough, 1995-NMCA-116, 120 N.M. 669, 905 P.2d 209.
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Negligent use of weapon. — A conviction of involuntary manslaughter by negligent use of a weapon requires negligence which is ordinary. State v. Grubbs, 1973-NMCA-096, 85 N.M. 365, 512 P.2d 693, overruled on other grounds, Santillanes v. State, 1993-NMSC-012, 115 N.M. 215, 849 P.2d 358; State v. Yarborough, 1995-NMCA-116, 120 N.M. 669, 905 P.2d 209.
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Proximate cause not necessarily direct immediate cause. — The act of defendant must be a proximate cause of death but need not be the direct immediate cause; it is sufficient if the direct cause resulted naturally from the act of accused. State v. Fields, 1964-NMSC-230, 74 N.M. 559, 395 P.2d 908.
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Heedless or reckless disregard of others. — To establish heedlessness or reckless disregard of the right of others, a particular state of mind that comprehends evidence of an utter irresponsibility on the part of the defendant or of a conscious abandonment of any consideration for the safety of passengers must be established. State v. Hayes, 1966-NMSC-260, 77 N.M. 225, 421 P.2d 439.
This last one applies to driving, but I think the court could pull from the language "a particular state of mind that comprehends evidence of an utter irresponsibility on the part of the defendant or of a conscious abandonment of any consideration for the safety" in instructing the jury.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:19 am to boston vol
And deservedly so.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:26 am to jbraua
Good info.
I’m sure that his role as a producer apparently with authority over the situation (moreso than a typical actor) as well as his familiarity with firearms from prior training and work will come into play, not in his favor.
I’m sure that his role as a producer apparently with authority over the situation (moreso than a typical actor) as well as his familiarity with firearms from prior training and work will come into play, not in his favor.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 11:56 am to Dr RC
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I think it's worth remembering that John Landis was somehow able to slither away from killing 3 people while filming The Twilight Zone Movie
That was the worst because he was in total control and showed reckless disregard for human life just to get a cool shot.
And he was seen laughing and smiling after his acquittal. I think the jury just couldn't take his actions and apply it to real life scenarios but chalked it up to "movie-making.".
If somebody created a theme park and that scene was part of the "experience " or "ride" they'd be in Prison.
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Posted on 1/19/23 at 12:49 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I'm about to RA every fricking political post on this board. keep that shite away.
oh no!!! This post was edited on 1/19/23 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:05 pm to boston vol
I'm fully on board with him getting a massive comeuppance. But...
Is it really on the cast of a movie to somehow inspect props? I would have just casually assumed if I were handed a gun on a movie set it would obviously not be "live".
When you read about movie/TV sets, they often talk about how over the top the safety concerns are. Like, if an able-bodied character has to jump off of a 4 foot ledge to the ground, there's a safety briefing that lasts forever and all kinds of support and overkill around that.
So if an A-list movie star is handed a prop, how is it on him to do further inspection?
Is it really on the cast of a movie to somehow inspect props? I would have just casually assumed if I were handed a gun on a movie set it would obviously not be "live".
When you read about movie/TV sets, they often talk about how over the top the safety concerns are. Like, if an able-bodied character has to jump off of a 4 foot ledge to the ground, there's a safety briefing that lasts forever and all kinds of support and overkill around that.
So if an A-list movie star is handed a prop, how is it on him to do further inspection?
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:18 pm to Big Scrub TX
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So if an A-list movie star is handed a prop, how is it on him to do further inspection?
An A-list actor who is completely ignorat of how firearms work might be able to claim this, and it would be less on him/her and more on the producers or directors responsible for the shoot.
Baldwin was a producer, knew damn well how firearms work, was being a dumbass on the set beforehand, and lied about pulling the trigger. That's what makes this one a little different.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:25 pm to Havoc
quote:Nah. Legacy hire.
far too green armorerquote:
Diversity hire tho.
Her dad has been a Hollywood armorer for decades. Low-budget film, so they hired a legacy with no experience.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:26 pm to boston vol
quote:
Alec Baldwin to be charged with
involuntary manslaughter
You could have fit all of this in the thread title.
Posted on 1/19/23 at 1:31 pm to Havoc
quote:As far as I can tell, no one has any idea as to what authority (if any) he had as a "producer."
I’m sure that his role as a producer apparently with authority over the situation
Sometimes the role is VERY substantive, and sometimes it is an ENTIRELY honorary title (remember on Cheers when Sam named Woody a "Senior Bartender," because he could not afford a raise?).
Until we learn more, I think some folks are assigning FAR too much importance to this title.
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