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re: Ahsoka Season 1 Episode 5 Discussion Thread
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:29 pm to Bamatab
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:29 pm to Bamatab
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I don't think Ahsoka did it. I think Anakin pulled her into the WBW when she was teetering between life and death because he felt that he needed to complete her training so that she could decide whether she wanted to fully commit to going forward (live) or whether she wanted to give up (die). I don't think Ahsoka had anything to do with actually being in the WBW.
Yea, I generally agree here. I think this is largely what happened. I think, as you said, Anakin was trying to get her the final lesson that no one path leads to a certain outcome. Being a soldier doesn't mean you are abandoning the rest of who you are. You have to embrace the now and be what the world needs you to be. Resonates some with the Mortis trilogy in that what Anakin had to do, had to be done, which is why the Father wiped his memory. The Jedi had become so singularly focused that they lost sight of this as well.
You have to be willing to fight for what you believe in, you can't just be a neutral observer. For Ahsoka, she was so afraid that if she gave into her willingness to be the soldier, that she wouldn't be able to stop herself from being consumed by that path, but she was able to in the end.
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Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:31 pm to TeddyPadillac
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You can watch the 3 episode arc in Clone Wars. It's season 3 episodes 15-17, and they really do a great job of showing more of why Anakin became who he became, which is something that entire show did and why so many adults liked a cartoon, b/c it was pretty heavy for a cartoon.
It really is fantastic. Did a great job of paralleling the Sith and Jedi and why what had to be done, had to be done. Also, some great Anakin scenes showing his abilities.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 1:44 pm to Bamatab
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So how I took Ahsoka being in the WBW is that she was literally dying, and the WBW was acting as a kind of purgatory. Now whether her physical body was actually in the WBW or whether it was her spirit or whatever, and her body was still in the ocean, I don't think really matters.
I had an NDE about a year ago, and it was substantially similar to how the episode worked. Whatever that place was that I visited, whether it was the afterlife, a parallel universe, or simply a creation of my mind’s memories, the distinction was irrelevant.
The lessons were vague, but the experience was real. In order to “leave” that world and “return” to life, I had to overcome the challenges put before me meant to reveal whatever flaws had been holding me back in my life. It was all very surreal and cinematic. Not quite clone wars epic battles or anything on that scale, but these sorta misty scenes that transition from place to place and scenario to scenario with twisted versions of past events was eerily similar.
I literally had tears in my eyes throughout much of Episode 5 because it reminded me so much of the journey I went through to return to life during my NDE.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 1:44 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:27 pm to kingbob
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but the Clone Wars episode from the first flashback is s1ep19 Storm Over Ryloth
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:32 pm to Thracken13
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I still say, and always will believe, that Disney made a HUGE mistake making all the EU books non canon
It was George Lucas. Not Disney. Lucas let the EU be the EU, but said on many occasions, and Feloni has too, that only TV Shows and Movies are canon. They have both said, that before they make TV shows and come up with new stuff, that they do explore the EU to make sure they aren't already using something that is out there. And if they are, that they get it right.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:35 pm to hth52
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The only thing that makes it hard to adapt are when the new projects majorly contradict key parts of old ones.
This. And that is where Disney's errors have been. They made the sequel trilogy, with no connections to the Saga in totality. And when it wasn't working, they attempted to brin in already dead characters to possibly save it. None of it worked. Made it worse.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:37 pm to Bamatab
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I think Ahsoka had been teetering between being a Jedi or not being a Jedi for so long that she basically lacked the conviction to "live" as the person that she was/wanted to be.
Not sure if you watched Clone Wars, but the first several episodes of season 7 were what you describe. Ahsoka wanted no part of the Jedi, no part of conflict or war. But at the same time could not help herself when it came to helping people. She could not just turn that off, but she approached it all like a war vet. Very cold, and callous.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:39 pm to GamecockUltimate
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It goes back to Obi Won watching Qui Gon die, when Rey can just force heal?
Or maybe Qui Gon could have just lived like the rest of the people who live after getting impaled by a light saber. shite one of them lived after getting it from the most powerful sith in history.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 2:43 pm to kingbob
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I had an NDE about a year ago, and it was substantially similar to how the episode worked. Whatever that place was that I visited, whether it was the afterlife, a parallel universe, or simply a creation of my mind’s memories, the distinction was irrelevant.
The lessons were vague, but the experience was real. In order to “leave” that world and “return” to life, I had to overcome the challenges put before me meant to reveal whatever flaws had been holding me back in my life. It was all very surreal and cinematic. Not quite clone wars epic battles or anything on that scale, but these sorta misty scenes that transition from place to place and scenario to scenario with twisted versions of past events was eerily similar.
I literally had tears in my eyes throughout much of Episode 5 because it reminded me so much of the journey I went through to return to life during my NDE.
Man I don't want to derail this thread. But I'd love to hear more about this.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:12 pm to Kracka
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Man I don't want to derail this thread. But I'd love to hear more about this.
Short synopsis. I was dying, likely from being drugged without my knowledge via a spiked drink. I saw a bright light and tunnel before emerging in a bright light in white puffy clouds. Before me was the gates of heaven (which were Pearly, that’s literally the best description I can give. I literally walked up to the gate and examined them because I was curious). In front of the closed gates was an old bearded man in a white robe standing behind a lectern with a large bound book (St. Peter). He basically told me that I wasn’t going to heaven or hell because I wasn’t supposed to be dead.
At first, he was calm, curious, and a little puzzled. The longer he looked through his book, however, he became VERY alarmed and flustered by my being there. He let slip that I (and my soulmate) have some kind of purpose that we’re supposed to fulfill before we die. I tried to press him on the subject, but he clearly realized he wasn’t supposed to say that and started getting defensive and cryptic, also saying it wasn’t his job to tell me those sorts of things.
To rectify the situation, he brought me to the outskirts of hell (I asked him if it was Hell, and he answered “not quite”). He brought me to “The Temple of Your Fears”. He said that I had to go inside and defeat all of my fears or else I would never leave, and presumably remain dead. When I hesitated (because it was a massive scary sandstone temple with pillars of fire everywhere), he sorta implied that I REALLY should go In because there was more at stake than just me, but he didn’t explicitly say that.
Anyways, once I went inside the temple, the door closed behind me, and I had visiona similar to how Ahsoka saw Ryloth and Mandelore. These visions each represented different fears that I had, showing where they came from and how they manifest in my decisions. These fears were being alone, abandonment, responsibility, and failure. I was shown versions of past events, possible futures, etc. The loneliness and fears of abandonment were shown to stem from a lack of self-love. The fears of responsibility and failure stemmed from feelings of misplaced guilt over the preventable deaths of loved ones due to suicide. This guilt was eating my sense of self and trapping me in these self-destructive and indecisive patterns.
At the end, I was given a choice between two different lives going forward: one that would be easy, but without the approval of my conscience or one where I would struggle, but live aligned with my values. I chose the latter, and was then awakened. It turned out, I wasn’t the only person who had been drugged, and a friend I was with was similarly unresponsive. Thankfully, I managed to revive her, get her food & fluids, get her home safe, and take care of her until everything was out of her system, but if I hadn’t been there, she might have been a goner.
Since then, my life hasn’t changed all that much, but I guess my self-esteem has been a little better. The future visions were pretty unsettling, so I kinda just have to live with all that. It was a profound experience, one that helped me gain greater clarity about myself and my life, but that clarity has not resulted in me becoming some significantly better, happier, more responsible, or more successful version of myself. I am reminded of the saying, “before enlightenment: man tends fire and carries water. After enlightenment: man tends fire and carries water.”
End Hijack
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 3:40 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:15 pm to VermilionTiger
Nerds
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:26 pm to DaTruth7
quote:Guys, y’all are upsetting the 80 IQ PoliTard.
DaTruth7
Posted on 9/14/23 at 3:57 pm to kingbob
This post reminds me I need to stop taking mushrooms.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 4:14 pm to Napoleon
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This post reminds me I need to stop taking mushrooms.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 5:46 pm to drizztiger
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Guys, y’all are upsetting the 80 IQ PoliTard.
That’s not Celtic/otto.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:55 pm to PsychTiger
God damn that episode was so good
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:01 pm to Kracka
quote:I have said several times that I absolutely hate hopping ahead on the timeline, and I would hate it even if the sequels were ok.quote:
The only thing that makes it hard to adapt are when the new projects majorly contradict key parts of old ones.
This. And that is where Disney's errors have been. They made the sequel trilogy, with no connections to the Saga in totality. And when it wasn't working, they attempted to brin in already dead characters to possibly save it. None of it worked. Made it worse.
You're wrapping up a story, ending all the loose ends. That makes stories like Ahsoka and Grogu etc basically pointless in the big picture... we already know the New Republic gets nuked. It's an albatross that hangs over the head of everything that comes out of this timeline. Luke will fail and quit, Han and Leia break up, Han is a deadbeat, etc.
It's neat to watch the stories on a micro level, but there's no doubt- at some point, they make the wrong decision and everything falls apart.
That's why I would love there to be a reboot-future editing move, where Ahsoka and/or Luke can avoid the Sequel trilogy from ever occurring. It would give me hope that the heroes can do something lasting, not just a fleeting success. I want the Skywalkers to be more than tragic failures.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:52 pm to Scoob
I agree completely. Skipping ahead 30 years just so they could put Ford, Hamill, and Fisher in the new movies was a bad idea.
They could have picked up a couple years later like Mandalorian, Ahsoka, etc are doing. They could have recast the main characters for new stories in their younger years and set up an eventual set of movies that occur in the sequel trilogy timeframe. At that point they can then Reuse Hamill and Ford in their roles, offering leadership to the next generation of characters.
I hate the time skip that blocks off 30 years of time that now has to be filled in.
They could have picked up a couple years later like Mandalorian, Ahsoka, etc are doing. They could have recast the main characters for new stories in their younger years and set up an eventual set of movies that occur in the sequel trilogy timeframe. At that point they can then Reuse Hamill and Ford in their roles, offering leadership to the next generation of characters.
I hate the time skip that blocks off 30 years of time that now has to be filled in.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 9/15/23 at 12:02 am to hth52
They should’ve skipped it way later if they were going to do a time skip. The whole point of the OT was beating an evil empire and achieving peace. Well all of that kind of looks pointless if that peace disappears only 30 years later.
Like really, in terms of the Star Wars story, what did Luke actually accomplish ?
Like really, in terms of the Star Wars story, what did Luke actually accomplish ?
Posted on 9/15/23 at 12:16 am to Broski
I really hated that the Republic was "The Resistance " like how? They were the head of the galaxy.
Horrible plot point
Horrible plot point
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