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re: Ahsoka Season 1 Episode 5 Discussion Thread
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:01 pm to Esquire
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:01 pm to Esquire
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I assume everybody that survives the battle with Thrawn will move to the new galaxy to explain their absence
They could also pretty easily do a time warp thing. Time moves much slower in that galaxy. So Ezra and Thrawn wouldn’t have aged or only very little. And the others would basically stop aging when they arrive (at least compared to SW galaxy).
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Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:01 pm to dirtsandwich
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Has it already been said, but I'm not sure they could find a child actor that looks like Adam Driver more than the one that plays Jacen, but maybe that's just me.
Huh? Wrong Jacen. And Adam Driver was Ben.
I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina Solo are canon anymore.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:25 pm to VermilionTiger
Been a fan of starwars since I was a kid but I'm not really liking ashoka. I think andor is the best starwars TV show ever and the way they filmed and wrote andor is pure classic and should serve as the model for all starwars tv going forward
Posted on 9/13/23 at 5:30 pm to Lark225
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I think andor is the best starwars TV show ever
Posted on 9/13/23 at 6:12 pm to TeddyPadillac
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haven't the slightest clue. I watched it once, and barely paid attention.
Ashley Eckstein, the voice of animated Ahsoka is credited in the rise of Skywalker. So yes, she’s one of the voices and she’s dead. Which makes sense as someone else pointed out, she’d be quite old by that point.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I really like the throwback to the dynamic between Luke and Vader in RotJ in episode 5. Ashoka saying she won’t fight him and Anakin saying he’s heard that before. Really had a lot of testing her like Luke was tested.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:18 pm to Lark225
That’s like saying all shows should be as good as The Wire or The Sopranos. It’s just not gonna happen.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 8:55 pm to CE Tiger
quote:I haven't watched Rebels, but I did read the older Thrawn books, and my understanding is that Thrawn is still basically the same character.
So in one vs one combat Ezra could pretty much destroy Thrawn in seconds right. Curious what their dynamic would be being stuck on the planet together. Does Ezra lean towards Thrawn and basically call a truce to survive?
Yes, Ezra or another Jedi could easily kill him one on one.
But if I'm sucked to another galaxy with zero hope of returning, and I'm not instantly killed in the process, then I want to cooperate with others to help survive, and particularly with those who provide a benefit or resource.
For Thrawn, Ezra's Force sensitivity makes him extremely valuable, a resource that can't be replaced, and definitely could be useful in times of need.
For Ezra, - this is if Thrawn is what he used to be. Which was, a practical, incredibly intelligent and adaptive leader, who wasn't "evil" per se. He WAS a guy where you could look over and say "so now what do we do?" rhetorically, and Thrawn would likely have a valid answer in less than a minute.
If you're truly stuck, there's little point (beyond pride and emotion) to keep fighting, when the game has changed so much. A thoughtful Jedi would accept that new dynamic, and at least the old Thrawn also would have.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 8:39 am to Scoob
I wonder if we will see the ysalamiri repelling the force
Posted on 9/14/23 at 9:19 am to jmarto1
I still say, and always will believe, that Disney made a HUGE mistake making all the EU books non canon. there were so many books that were perfect for adaptation.
hell - the rogue squadron book line, the Thrawn Trilogy - the list goes on - they would have been amazing.
hell - the rogue squadron book line, the Thrawn Trilogy - the list goes on - they would have been amazing.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:11 am to Thracken13
Making them non-canon doesn’t mean they can’t be adapted. It frees it up for some changes to be made.
The only thing that makes it hard to adapt are when the new projects majorly contradict key parts of old ones.
The only thing that makes it hard to adapt are when the new projects majorly contradict key parts of old ones.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:32 am to Scoob
Kind of like when Zeb and Agent Kallus were on the ice moon.
Why did I get downvoted? They were enemies who literally had to work together to survive
Why did I get downvoted? They were enemies who literally had to work together to survive
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 10:35 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 10:54 am to TeddyPadillac
So how I took Ahsoka being in the WBW is that she was literally dying, and the WBW was acting as a kind of purgatory. Now whether her physical body was actually in the WBW or whether it was her spirit or whatever, and her body was still in the ocean, I don't think really matters. And I also think the same goes for whether or not Anakin was physically in the WBW, or if he was just a spirit or force ghost or whatever. But Anakin was there to "complete her training" by showing her that she needed to either have the conviction ("you lack conviction") to fully commit to her life as a Jedi and solder (live) or the conviction to let go of her life as a Jedi and solder (die).
I think Ahsoka had been teetering between being a Jedi or not being a Jedi for so long that she basically lacked the conviction to "live" as the person that she was/wanted to be. I think deep down she had always wanted to still be a full on light-side Jedi, but she had been trained to be a solder and not a peace keeper, and her master turned to the dark side and the Jedi order itself turned on her. So she left the Jedi, but never fully stopped being a Jedi in her actions. She also never stopped being a solder as shown in that last battle scene at Mandalor and with the rebellion, and she couldn't come to terms with a Jedi being a solder. Her inner conflict also impeded her ability to properly train Sabine.
So basically the last lesson that Anakin was teaching her was that she had to accept her past, and decide if she really had the conviction (1.) to be a true light-side Jedi that is willing to pass her "lineage" on to another padawan (and stop trying to walk the line in-between), and (2.) to accept that it is ok to be a Jedi solder because the times are calling for it once again. And I think her "choosing to live" was her accepting that her past trauma wasn't going to prevent her from being able to become the full on Jedi that she has always wanted to be deep down. And I think her change in demeanor (reminiscent of her Clone Wars demeanor) is kind of proof of that acceptance.
And I also don't think it matters or will ever be explained if Anakin was or wasn't the Father. I think what matters is that Anakin has all of the characteristics of the Father, and he showed them during that interaction in the WBW. I think Filoni will leave that interpretation up to the hardcore SW fans to fight about.
I think Ahsoka had been teetering between being a Jedi or not being a Jedi for so long that she basically lacked the conviction to "live" as the person that she was/wanted to be. I think deep down she had always wanted to still be a full on light-side Jedi, but she had been trained to be a solder and not a peace keeper, and her master turned to the dark side and the Jedi order itself turned on her. So she left the Jedi, but never fully stopped being a Jedi in her actions. She also never stopped being a solder as shown in that last battle scene at Mandalor and with the rebellion, and she couldn't come to terms with a Jedi being a solder. Her inner conflict also impeded her ability to properly train Sabine.
So basically the last lesson that Anakin was teaching her was that she had to accept her past, and decide if she really had the conviction (1.) to be a true light-side Jedi that is willing to pass her "lineage" on to another padawan (and stop trying to walk the line in-between), and (2.) to accept that it is ok to be a Jedi solder because the times are calling for it once again. And I think her "choosing to live" was her accepting that her past trauma wasn't going to prevent her from being able to become the full on Jedi that she has always wanted to be deep down. And I think her change in demeanor (reminiscent of her Clone Wars demeanor) is kind of proof of that acceptance.
And I also don't think it matters or will ever be explained if Anakin was or wasn't the Father. I think what matters is that Anakin has all of the characteristics of the Father, and he showed them during that interaction in the WBW. I think Filoni will leave that interpretation up to the hardcore SW fans to fight about.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:44 am to Bamatab
I just still dislike that Jedi have been around for millenia, but whenever they need a story to work they create some new way for things to work. Whatever this spirit world is, why havent we seen it before in anything. I mean it was going to take Qui Gon and Ben a lot of time to figure out how to talk to their dead masters, but ashoka just does it? It goes back to Obi Won watching Qui Gon die, when Rey can just force heal?
oh well. I dont read enough Cannon so maybe I am missing some things. Is this showing that anakin has taken the place of God to keep the force in balance. Isnt that something he was told would happen to him in the cartoons
* I would love a multiverse where we get a different ending to mustafar and we get Vader without the suit.
oh well. I dont read enough Cannon so maybe I am missing some things. Is this showing that anakin has taken the place of God to keep the force in balance. Isnt that something he was told would happen to him in the cartoons
* I would love a multiverse where we get a different ending to mustafar and we get Vader without the suit.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 11:46 am
Posted on 9/14/23 at 11:54 am to GamecockUltimate
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I just still dislike that Jedi have been around for millenia, but whenever they need a story to work they create some new way for things to work.
I’ll push back on this a bit. I think it’s totally different than things the sequel trilogy has done. And I think it’s fine that they don’t totally explain EVERYTHING with the Force. It gives it more of a mystic quality that I think the Force was lacking in the prequels and sequels that Filoni tried to bring back both here and in The Clone Wars series. Maybe the WBW is where the Jedi that learned to be force ghosts go and they can pop in and out at different times, hence why Anakin appeared as he did and not transparent like other force ghosts. Who knows? But I like when they use the Force this way instead of just granting healing powers or letting mfers fly through space and shite
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:05 pm to GamecockUltimate
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Whatever this spirit world is, why havent we seen it before in anything.
I mean, it's not a spirit world. The World Between Worlds It is basically a "bridge" of time and space. It was established as canon in Rebels. I was just saying that I think it was acting as a kind of purgatory, and that I don't think it matters if it was her physical body or her spirit that was there. I wasn't saying that it was purgatory.
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I mean it was going to take Qui Gon and Ben a lot of time to figure out how to talk to their dead masters, but ashoka just does it?
I don't think Ahsoka did it. I think Anakin pulled her into the WBW when she was teetering between life and death because he felt that he needed to complete her training so that she could decide whether she wanted to fully commit to going forward (live) or whether she wanted to give up (die). I don't think Ahsoka had anything to do with actually being in the WBW.
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It goes back to Obi Won watching Qui Gon die, when Rey can just force heal?
I do agree with you here. But the force healing didn't bother me near as as Kylo Ren being able to freeze a blaster shot in mid-air when we never saw that before and we always saw Jedi having to use lightsabers to deflect them instead. But at this point it is what it is. I guess there are just aspects of force abilities that aren't known or used by every Jedi out there.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:07 pm to GamecockUltimate
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I just still dislike that Jedi have been around for millenia, but whenever they need a story to work they create some new way for things to work. Whatever this spirit world is, why havent we seen it before in anything. I mean it was going to take Qui Gon and Ben a lot of time to figure out how to talk to their dead masters, but ashoka just does it? It goes back to Obi Won watching Qui Gon die, when Rey can just force heal?
i get what you are saying, but people learn new stuff all the time, and when you learn something, you generally share it.
no force ghosts for a millenia, Qui-Gon figures it out, shares it with others, and now we have a few force ghosts.
And i'm not sure what you are talking about "Ahsoka just does it". She's not the force ghost. she didn't have to do anything. Luke didn't do anything when Yoda/Obi-Wan/Anakin appeared to him.
The force healing crap was dumb, and i don't put much stock into anything that happened in those 3 movies.
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oh well. I dont read enough Cannon so maybe I am missing some things. Is this showing that anakin has taken the place of God to keep the force in balance. Isnt that something he was told would happen to him in the cartoons
that's up for debate, but i think so. The previous Father wanted Anakin to take his place since he was the Chosen One. The Father killed himself so that the Son would lose his power and Anakin could kill him.
You can watch the 3 episode arc in Clone Wars. It's season 3 episodes 15-17, and they really do a great job of showing more of why Anakin became who he became, which is something that entire show did and why so many adults liked a cartoon, b/c it was pretty heavy for a cartoon.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:08 pm to Bamatab
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I don't think Ahsoka had anything to do with actually being in the WBW.
correct. she didn't in Rebels either.
and i agree with what you have said.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 12:12 pm to A12 Oxcart
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Huh? Wrong Jacen. And Adam Driver was Ben.
I'm not sure if Jacen and Jaina Solo are canon anymore.
I'm not saying he's supposed to be Ben Solo later on. Completely unrelated to Star Wars characters.
I'm saying he looks like a kid Adam Driver to me. That's it. Nothing more to it.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 12:21 pm
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