re: Ahsoka Season 1 Episode 5 Discussion Thread

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The story of the sequels was just such a mess. The whole thing really feels completely unplanned, which is absurd for a property as valuable as Star Wars. You would think that Disney would have planned everything out to the letter after spending that much on it.

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Yes- Disney just completely mismanaged this, from a purely financial perspective.

If the sequels never happened, then Ahsoka and the Mandalorian are both movie franchises, and both are huge (billion+ a movie). Mando gives you the rogue pirate/bounty hunter appeal you got from Han Solo and the cantina scene, Ahsoka gives you the war and Jedi stuff.
Both would be open-ended, lots of room for development, and the storylines could cross over and yet still run separately.

The fanbase would be extremely excited, and these would be the biggest thing in theaters. Star Wars would be king for the foreseeable future.

Instead, they have written themselves into a dead end.

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So, anybody think in the Mandalorian, when they are flying and see the Purrgil and Grogu reacts, he was sensing Ahsoka with them?

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Hmmm- good catch. Not sure the timeframe, but that's a definite maybe

Did he release another video on episode 5?

I think Critical Drinker has some semi-legit complaints about pacing, mcguffins, stiff dialogue, telling rather than showing character development, and “girl power”, but he also never saw the cartoons.

The divide on this show seems to be between people who didn’t see Rebels/Clone Wars and those who did. Those who didn’t are assuming our characters are Mary Sue’s out of place in the Star Wars universe searching for more random McGuffin’s. Those who did watch the shows saw how these characters were developed over many years to become the highly competent characters they are now. The McGuffins and villains all had rich backstory and set up. However, you can’t know that without having watched the series that included all of that set-up.

Now, the idea that one shouldn’t have to have watched all of these different things to understand the latest series is an understandable criticism. The more things the audience is expected to come in knowing, the higher the barrier to entry is for your show and the smaller the potential pool of viewers is. I think Episode 5 really did a great job of both giving non-cartoon watchers critical backstory while also providing meaningful character development and payoff for those who did watch the cartoons.

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The divide on this show seems to be between people who didn’t see Rebels/Clone Wars and those who did. Those who didn’t are assuming our characters are Mary Sue’s out of place in the Star Wars universe searching for more random McGuffin’s. Those who did watch the shows saw how these characters were developed over many years to become the highly competent characters they are now. The McGuffins and villains all had rich backstory and set up. However, you can’t know that without having watched the series that included all of that set-up.

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I could see that. It's likely why i really like this show, b/c i've seen all of Clone Wars and Rebels.
If you really like Star Wars though, you could easily watch about 2-3 hours worth of Clone Wars and Rebels episodes and get caught up pretty easily. Filoni gave a suggested list of episodes to watch. I can agree that that shouldn't be required to watch a new show, but i'm not sure how anyone would like the Obi-Wan show if you hadn't seen the movies (even though i don't know how any Star Wars fan liked that pile of shite).
Rogue One, Andor, The Mandalorian have all been really good shows that really didn't need that much backstory to enjoy, but it certainly helps. ANd there's a big difference between needing to have some Star Wars knowledge from the OT, and needing to have some Star Wars knowledge of 10 seasons of cartoons that had like 20 something episodes per season.

This Ahsoka show is for true Star Wars nerds.
I'm watchin this show as a continuation of Clone Wars and Rebels, so i'm on episode 209 through 216, while most others are watching episode 1 of a bunch of characters they barely know, except for Anakin.

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If the sequels never happened, then Ahsoka and the Mandalorian are both movie franchises, and both are huge (billion+ a movie). Mando gives you the rogue pirate/bounty hunter appeal you got from Han Solo and the cantina scene, Ahsoka gives you the war and Jedi stuff.

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As I pointed out earlier, the sequels are the turd in the Star Wars punch bowl. Everything moving forward is handcuffed by that crap. That means instead of using a series to move the franchise forward, valuable screen time is wasted trying to explain away or polish those 3 turds. Look what happened at the end of season 2 of Mando. You have this incredible season finally complete with Luke taking Grogu into his care, and then you have a separate series completely undoing it between Mando seasons. You can’t convince me that RSW didn’t play a role in it. I mean you can’t have Luke taking on a baby Yoda when he has more pressing things going on like being a fricking hermit bum. That also means that he has no part in the current series with the Empire back on the rise because he’s off living under a rock. There is also no Skywalker or Solo bloodline to be had or left because those were effectively ended with those garbage films.

TLDR: these series as good as they are at times could be infinitely better without the sequels hanging over their heads.

So, also, kind of cool, but Anakin finally possesses the power to save the ones he cares about from dying.

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The New Republic wasn’t The Resistance. The Resistance is people who have left the New Republic government/military because they want to deal with the First Order, but can’t because of all the hangups you see Hera dealing with in this show.

They have some under the table New Republic supporters, but so does the First Order.

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So, the sequels deal is the New Republic is corrupt, full of the same swamp slime that brought an end to the Old Republic, and flourished under Palpatine.
Except, they didn't tell us that during the trilogy, it's being written into the following series as a way to try to salvage the property. Gotcha.

That's just proof of how badly Disney mismanaged Star Wars. Again, these series are very good, but I hate that they're running damage control, instead of leading us down new roads.

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I really hated that the Republic was "The Resistance " like how? They were the head of the galaxy.
Horrible plot point

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That's not exactly it.

As the head of state for the planet Serenno, Count Dooku (a fallen Jedi Master) founded the Confederacy of Independent Systems based on helping foment a belief of excessive taxation and corruption within the Republic's Galactic Senate, as well as a general feeling of dissatisfaction towards the Republic for a perceived favoritism towards the Core Worlds over the Outer Rim systems.

Dooku was the apprentice to the Sith Dark Lord. No one realized the Dark Lord was Senator Sheev Palpatine. Palpatine used the Separatist Alliance conflict to push the old Supreme Chancellor of the Republic out of office and then be picked as his replacement. He and Dooku then used the Separatist Alliance as a means to scare the Republic into vesting more and more power into the Supreme Chancellor, eventually making him Emperor and the Republic then became the Empire.

Palpatine had the clone army created with a genetic defect that would cause them to turn on the Jedi and any enemy of the Emperor at the mention of a specific phrase (see: Order 66). In the aftermath of Order 66, the Separatist planets were brought into the Empire and the clone army was "retired" in favor of storm troopers pulled from the populace.

The Rebel Alliance came from a mixture of Separatist worlds, members of the old Republic worlds who didn't agree with the direction of the Empire and those who had sought to remain outside the fray.

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idk if you read a lot of history but defeating a regime is easier than replacing it

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Yes, I've read a lot of history; none of which has any relevance to a space fantasy.

And this isn't even that hard of a regime, to be fair. Palpatine didn't round up and execute the Senate, he kept them in place (while consolidating Imperial/executive power) for 2 decades. He then dissolved the Senate, but again didn't hunt them down. He killed one, Bail Organa (and blew up his planet).

Palpatine died offworld at a battle, nobody had to storm Coruscant and remove him from office. They fricking celebrated with fireworks and festivities on Coruscant when he died.
Senators Mothma and (Leia) Organa immediately resumed their positions, I would assume the vast majority did also.

This isn't like the defeat of Sauron and you have to reorganize Mordor and integrate it into the rest of Middle Earth. It's not like the fall of Hitler and the Nazis in Germany, or even like the end of the Soviet Union with Gorbachev.

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And this isn't even that hard of a regime, to be fair. Palpatine didn't round up and execute the Senate, he kept them in place (while consolidating Imperial/executive power) for 2 decades. He then dissolved the Senate, but again didn't hunt them down. He killed one, Bail Organa (and blew up his planet).

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so you think maybe after decades with. a regime any senator with power was either A. in the emperor’s pocket, B a secret Rebel, or C. an opportunist.

which seems like it would create a pretty swampy republic after Palpatine dies.

you’re arguing that all they had to do was kill Palapatine and there would be a perfect republic just sitting there?