re: Adam Driver: Kylo Ren Was Originally Supposed to Be Committed to the Dark Side by the End

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Still wouldn't have saved the sequel trilogy from the TLJ abomination.

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The Rise of Skywalker could've tried to redeem it with a coherent story, instead it was an even stupider and senseless story than the Last Jedi.

As much as I never bought into the arc that Anakin took, Ben Solo’s journey was even less convincing.

Of course, we never did see young Ben, before Luke tried to delete him. Are we supposed to simply assume that because he came from a broken home after daddy Han left that he was in a similarly emotional state as Anakin was?

That’s why the sequels will always be trash. They rely on telling, never showing what took place.

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I refuse to believe they had any sort of over-arching plan at all.

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I agree. If they did, there would have been stipulations in place to stick to it.

To this day, a part of me believes Rian Johnson fricked TLJ up so bad as a matter of principle.

Disney spent multi billions to obtain the franchise, decided to spend over a billion total to make a trilogy, and they had zero idea or direction where they were going with it. When they gave him the 2nd film to make, it seems literally no guidelines were in place. No mandated character development, no finale to progress towards, nothing.

You just don't do that when the stakes are that high, and I think he fricked them but good to prove that point.
He killed off the big villain, Snoke
He deconstructed the franchise hero, Luke- and then killed him off
He made a joke of one of the new heroes, Poe
He completely deemphasized the other, Finn
He killed the secondary villain (the chrome stormtrooper chick)
He erased the concept of the Force as Good and Evil, as Rey increasingly turned to the Dark Side (the cave, then her attraction to Kylo).
He mocked the First Order/Resistance conflict, with Del Toro's character pointing out both sides were buying from the same arms dealers.
He inserted a profoundly annoying and frumpy character (Rose) into the story for no benefit, and actually a detriment to the plot at points.

There was so much wrong, I don't think it was an accident. I think he intentionally tanked the trilogy, because they were stupid enough to let someone do that.

Fwiw I don't think any of the new trilogy is particularly good but I don't have the hatred for TLJ as most here do. I think ROS does the biggest disservice to the trilogy. "Hey guys Palpatine is back somehow" (announced in Fortnite ofall places). I think darkside Kylo Ren still plays in ROS and doesn't need Palpatine just make him the ultimate bad guy after they kill Snoke.

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From just a pure movie standpoint, there is nothing redeeming about Rise of Skywalker. It is the worst piece of Star Wars property ever made. The story is non-sensical and it was shot so basic. The Last Jedi at least was shot beautifully and the story was coherent enough to where it would've been fine if it was a standalone feature, not a giant middle finger to everything that happened in the movie that came before it. The issue with The Last Jedi for me is that it went so far off the reservation from the Force Awakens that when Disney begged JJ to come back for ROS, he was just like "frick it" I'm going to just throw shite on a wall and see what happens.

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TLJ isn’t a good movie, but it’s considerably better than ROS

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So you actively avoided the best star wars content ever made, andor and the mandolorian?

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I suppose I did. What a tragedy.

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* it’s an old fan theory, but who doesn’t buy into the idea that Palpatine had a hand in what happened to Anakin’s mother. Just the sort of thing that would tip a young impressionable Jedi into turning to the dark side.

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And then not knowing Luke is literally where Shmi lived all this time?

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The best option was to go the route of Kylo->Ben Solo and become redeemed, while Rey succumbs to the darkside completely because if lack of guidance and training.

I'd have watched that movie.

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Would have been a good and interesting take.

But the white bad guy actually being good while destroying the "force is female" heroine would have melted Twitter. And apparently those are the types we have to appease with all of our cultural entertainment.

I thought is would have been so cool to have Kylo do his redemption story but have Rey go the Parkside. Could have set up (organically) an awesome female badguy moving forward. (But they would have messed that up as well)