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re: What’s the end game for this NBA era?
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:58 pm to supatigah
Posted on 1/31/19 at 7:58 pm to supatigah
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When these guys show promise and elite level potential as pre-teens they are catered to and the AAU/HS system is set up in their favor. The CBB and NBA systems are just carrying that out to its highest forms. What actually makes this Player's League concept work is there is an intense peer pressure lead by elite players to do the work and fools are not suffered long by the big names.
I think we'll see another "dark period" for the NBA once LBJ hangs it up. Similar to what happened after MJ retired.
I wouldn't say I was ever a huge NBA fan, but I would watch every Hornets game I could when CP was there. Went to a few when I could as well. After his trade drama BS I watched much less. At this point, I might watch the last game or two of the finals.
It might be due to roster size and other things, but it just feels like the players have all the power in the league. Like with AD it wasn't "will he become a star and compete"...it was "when's he gonna leave and where's he gonna go." It seems like all the stories coming out of the league are about drama and bullshite rather than what's happening on the court. It feels more UFC than anything at this point.
This post was edited on 1/31/19 at 7:59 pm
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Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:03 pm to TexasTiger08
quote:So KD?
But no...I’m calling out the ‘if you can’t beat em’, join em’ types.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:21 pm to ReauxlTide222
Yup.
I had no issue with Curry, Klay. I can’t stand Draymond, but the guy has game. He’s a great villain.
But what KD did? He deserves every damn bit of ridicule he gets. It comes with the territory. If he is satisfied with the rings, props to him. It’s clear that he cares too much about his image to be completely satisfied.
I had no issue with Curry, Klay. I can’t stand Draymond, but the guy has game. He’s a great villain.
But what KD did? He deserves every damn bit of ridicule he gets. It comes with the territory. If he is satisfied with the rings, props to him. It’s clear that he cares too much about his image to be completely satisfied.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:31 pm to TexasTiger08
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when fans would rather root for LA or GS than their hometown team, it’s a problem. T
I don’t know about that... I don’t think the leagues(NBA,NFL)could survive if everyone was a homer
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:42 pm to Rep520
Karl Malone 
He and Gary Payton were on their way out the league and into retirement when they went to the Lakers. They signed with LA to come off the bench for one last shot at getting a ring before they retired. A washed up star in their 15th year signing as a role player for the defending champs is a little different situation than an MVP caliber player in their prime forcing their team to trade them and trying to dictate one destination by telling the rest of the league if they make a trade its only a one year rental
He and Gary Payton were on their way out the league and into retirement when they went to the Lakers. They signed with LA to come off the bench for one last shot at getting a ring before they retired. A washed up star in their 15th year signing as a role player for the defending champs is a little different situation than an MVP caliber player in their prime forcing their team to trade them and trying to dictate one destination by telling the rest of the league if they make a trade its only a one year rental
Posted on 1/31/19 at 8:51 pm to Tiger Prawn
Don’t forget...Mitch Richmond also signed with the Lakers that same year.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 9:23 pm to TexasTiger08
No he didn’t. He signed two years before Malone/GP
He also wasn’t hood and ended up retiring.
He also wasn’t hood and ended up retiring.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:07 pm to theducks
Well shite
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:13 pm to WestCoastAg
You don’t get it and you never will. You root for teams in one of the biggest markets in the world for sports and will never have to worry about players wanting out of LA. Players want to come to LA and play. Therefore, you’re perfectly OK with how the system is...because players come to you and not run away from it
Because you’re a major market team.
Because you’re a major market team.
Posted on 1/31/19 at 11:19 pm to Srbtiger06
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It seems like all the stories coming out of the league are about drama and bull shite rather than what's happening on the court. It feels more UFC than anything at this point.
After LeBron retires, if the Bucks haven’t won a title the media narrative will begin with Giannis and how he needs to leave for the Lakers or Celtics or Miami or wherever so he can get a ring. It’s an endless cycle of bullshite. Even if the Bucks make a couple of conference finals appearances it will begin anyway
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:09 am to WicKed WayZ
I can’t really disagree with either post.
If you are a Lakers fan, you don’t know what it’s like to be left at the alter. Your biggest disappointment involved Dwight Howard, or the coaching tenures of Dantoni or Mike Brown.
The Knicks are big market, and they ‘get it’. I’d say Lakers, Celtics (esp 2008), and Heat have benefitted greatly from this type of stuff, and even now Golden State.
Then you have a slew of teams that are routinely good, but won’t get that ring nowadays without lightning hitting. I’m looking at you Portland, Utah, Indiana.
That leaves who as big market contenders? Houston, NYK, Toronto, Philly, Chicago? MAYBE Brooklyn or LAC.
The question is...what can those franchises do to get over this newly created hump that is stars’ obsessions with going to a select few cities?
If you are a Lakers fan, you don’t know what it’s like to be left at the alter. Your biggest disappointment involved Dwight Howard, or the coaching tenures of Dantoni or Mike Brown.
The Knicks are big market, and they ‘get it’. I’d say Lakers, Celtics (esp 2008), and Heat have benefitted greatly from this type of stuff, and even now Golden State.
Then you have a slew of teams that are routinely good, but won’t get that ring nowadays without lightning hitting. I’m looking at you Portland, Utah, Indiana.
That leaves who as big market contenders? Houston, NYK, Toronto, Philly, Chicago? MAYBE Brooklyn or LAC.
The question is...what can those franchises do to get over this newly created hump that is stars’ obsessions with going to a select few cities?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 12:37 am to WicKed WayZ
quote:Did they do that with Lebron or did they shite on him for not winning in Cleveland?
After LeBron retires, if the Bucks haven’t won a title the media narrative will begin with Giannis and how he needs to leave for the Lakers or Celtics or Miami or wherever so he can get a ring.
Did they beg KD to leave or did they start turning up the heat on him for not winning where he was?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 1:44 am to ReauxlTide222
From a financial, popularity, and news standpoint, the NBA is in fantastic shape.
The interesting thing will be the next CBA. The teams may end up locking out the players, just for purposes of balance-- but there is so much money on the table, that a lot of mid market types are going to swallow their pride faster than they worry about competitiveness.
Realistically, long term, I'd imagine making trades void Bird rights may be the compromise for the next CBA. They're not going to get a hard cap. The Supermax isn't proving to be market protection for the NBA's middle class-- to be honest, the league desperately needs a team like Minnesota to figure it out with their home-grown Supermax candidate, to have something to point to about competitiveness. Maybe Milwaukee can do it with Giannis this year, but even there, rumblings are already starting about the Supermax and whether or not it'll be enough to keep Giannis in place. He'll be the next spotlight star, once the AD situation is settled.
In the short term, the Knicks may end up being the test case for the future of the NBA, with their room for 2 max deals now. If they draw a Durant and another true max type -- think Kyrie, not Tobias Harris-- then the NBA can play a big media market being relevant to keep driving the hype machine.
You can see the end of the Golden State run coming, but it won't be super abrupt-- it'll take another 3 years to bring them back down to the level of just 'they can contend if things go right', rather than 'I'll believe they don't win a title when I see it' territory.
All in all, its a labor situation that's up in the air because the union is going to try to protect player options, rather than the health of the league. The league is so well off financially, though, that it'll be hard to break them.
The interesting thing will be the next CBA. The teams may end up locking out the players, just for purposes of balance-- but there is so much money on the table, that a lot of mid market types are going to swallow their pride faster than they worry about competitiveness.
Realistically, long term, I'd imagine making trades void Bird rights may be the compromise for the next CBA. They're not going to get a hard cap. The Supermax isn't proving to be market protection for the NBA's middle class-- to be honest, the league desperately needs a team like Minnesota to figure it out with their home-grown Supermax candidate, to have something to point to about competitiveness. Maybe Milwaukee can do it with Giannis this year, but even there, rumblings are already starting about the Supermax and whether or not it'll be enough to keep Giannis in place. He'll be the next spotlight star, once the AD situation is settled.
In the short term, the Knicks may end up being the test case for the future of the NBA, with their room for 2 max deals now. If they draw a Durant and another true max type -- think Kyrie, not Tobias Harris-- then the NBA can play a big media market being relevant to keep driving the hype machine.
You can see the end of the Golden State run coming, but it won't be super abrupt-- it'll take another 3 years to bring them back down to the level of just 'they can contend if things go right', rather than 'I'll believe they don't win a title when I see it' territory.
All in all, its a labor situation that's up in the air because the union is going to try to protect player options, rather than the health of the league. The league is so well off financially, though, that it'll be hard to break them.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:06 am to Bunk Moreland
There is enough blame in the Pels organization from the top with ownership, the front office, coaching staff, and even AD with his inability to stay healthy. We had 7 years to put together a competent roster around AD and failed to do so. If you can't put it together in 7 years, AD has everything right to want to spend his prime somewhere else
Posted on 2/1/19 at 2:20 am to TexasTiger08
Players only care about themselves and not the fans, city or team they play for.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 7:38 am to TexasTiger08
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I’m not saying it is or isn’t. I’m just saying that when fans would rather root for LA or GS than their hometown team, it’s a problem.
Friend of mine here in Htown is a huge GSW fan due to KD. When I asked her why the Rox continue to choke late in games, she said “oh, I don’t know bc I don’t follow them”
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:20 am to Switzerland
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Players only care about themselves
and how is this different from any other professional sport?
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:32 am to Tiger Prawn
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Karl Malone ?
He and Gary Payton were on their way out the league and into retirement when they went to the Lakers.
The year before they joined the Lakers, Malone averaged 20.6 ppg and Payton averaged 19.6 ppg and was an Allstar.
They both started every game they played for the Lakers. Malone was averaging 14 and 10 before the knee injury that basically ended things.
Yeah, they were ring chasing. AD is too. The Pels aren't a championship level team. If the Lakers get him, they are.
Players want to win. I'm also not super offended by telling other teams he's a one year rental. If he is, wouldn't you rather know it before you pull the trigger on trading for him? Teams want to know long term intent.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:34 am to Monday
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I don't know what the end game is, but it has become a very hard sport to follow. I was thinking today that I've never heard of 90% of the players in the league now.
That’s pretty much all sports and entertainment these days. It’s called information overload.
Posted on 2/1/19 at 8:41 am to Monday
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I was thinking today that I've never heard of 90% of the players in the league now.
I used to be able to name players, teams, and coaches. Now, I only see highlights sporadically.
I contribute that to the direction ESPN has gone. Used to be in the mornings, they ran Sportscenter with highlights for multiple hour long segments. Now it’s Steven A Smith and other big mouths just arguing back and forth on some fresh take.
They’ve turned sports highlights into political talk radio. It must bring in ratings, or else they wouldn’t do it, but I much preferred just getting the highlights and stats of every game instead of yelling on my TV.
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