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What happened to heavy weight boxing?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:11 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:11 pm
It seems after Tyson bit that ear off, boxing hasn't been the big theater we once enjoyed...
Was Ali the greatest?
Was Ali the greatest?
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:16 pm to ApexTiger
It’s as good now as it’s been in a while. Fury is legit, Wilder is a 1 trick pony but that 1 trick is devastating & Joshua is pretty dam good as well. It just doesn’t have the “must see” aspect that the Tyson era had
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 8:17 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:26 pm to ApexTiger
Lewis v. Tyson is the last really hyped heavyweight matchup I can remember and Tyson was over the hill.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:46 pm to ApexTiger
Need a charismatic, dominant American.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 8:57 pm to ApexTiger
It went the way of tackle football. Our society looks down on combat sports now.
Seems like MMA has replaced boxing by becoming a somewhat underground version of the sport.
Seems like MMA has replaced boxing by becoming a somewhat underground version of the sport.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:04 pm to ApexTiger
Klitschko brothers happened
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:10 pm to mattz1122
It's true. But I hate that perspective. Tyson was over the hill. But Lewis is older than him. Lewis was just a better fighter. He was the best HW of his generation and Tyson wasn't second.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:16 pm to ApexTiger
Boxing is actually really good right now.
The heavyweight division has suffered for a long time with a lack of big fights and marketable (in the US) champions. But the problem with boxing is not so much the quality of fighting. It’s that it’s hard to televise boxing matches on TV, when the sport is not conducive to TV commercials and there’s so much competition for attention. Boxing is not just competing with MMA right now, it’s also competing with every other program on 160 channels and every streaming service every Saturday night. So you don’t have the universal attention that the sport used to get back in the 70’s and 80’s. So it’s harder to build a star fighter.
When it comes to the heavyweights, their title fights are rare because there isn’t a lot of fighting up and fighting down in weight classes among champions in adjacent weight classes. So that’s even fewer opportunities to build a star fighter. Add that to the fact that boxing is more global than ever before, and you have Americans feeling like the heavyweight division is down.
But don’t sleep on the lighter weight classes. There is a TON of good boxing going on there. There’s a damn good fight almost on a weekly basis right now.
The heavyweight division has suffered for a long time with a lack of big fights and marketable (in the US) champions. But the problem with boxing is not so much the quality of fighting. It’s that it’s hard to televise boxing matches on TV, when the sport is not conducive to TV commercials and there’s so much competition for attention. Boxing is not just competing with MMA right now, it’s also competing with every other program on 160 channels and every streaming service every Saturday night. So you don’t have the universal attention that the sport used to get back in the 70’s and 80’s. So it’s harder to build a star fighter.
When it comes to the heavyweights, their title fights are rare because there isn’t a lot of fighting up and fighting down in weight classes among champions in adjacent weight classes. So that’s even fewer opportunities to build a star fighter. Add that to the fact that boxing is more global than ever before, and you have Americans feeling like the heavyweight division is down.
But don’t sleep on the lighter weight classes. There is a TON of good boxing going on there. There’s a damn good fight almost on a weekly basis right now.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:22 pm to NineLineBind
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It went the way of tackle football. Our society looks down on combat sports now.
I’m almost 30 and Fury Wilder was the first heavyweight fight I or anyone I know paid for. it isn’t promoted the same as it once was. I think the sport might be surprised how much the general public is clamoring for a competitive heavyweight division
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:25 pm to brmark70816
I agree with your last statement as a whole but if we go back to 86-87, no heavyweight fighting wanted any part of Tyson. That includes the guys like Lewis and Holyfield that got him post Douglas. He would've walked them all down. For my money 19-20 year old Tyson is the betting favorite against anyone. He was as powerful as Wilder but astronomically more compact, agile and quick. He would crush the bodies of these tall heavyweights now.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:32 pm to ApexTiger
In my opinion boxing has failed because of many reasons. Greed, too many belts, the cards are usually boring outside of the main event and are filled with no names, judging has been horrible.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 9:54 pm to diat150
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In my opinion boxing has failed because of many reasons. Greed, too many belts, the cards are usually boring outside of the main event and are filled with no names, judging has been horrible.
I know it's not heavyweights, but boxing blew a huge opportunity with Mayweather-Pacquiao. That fight should have happened when both were in their prime.
This post was edited on 5/17/21 at 10:06 pm
Posted on 5/17/21 at 10:02 pm to Tyga Woods
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Need a charismatic, dominant American.
Fury is more American than half the soy boy's in the current state of the U.S.
Posted on 5/17/21 at 11:54 pm to ApexTiger
Pay per view changed the landscape.
In the old days you could see contenders or a title fight on network tv.
USA had up-and-comers in Tuesdays.
Now, viewable fights are few and far between.
In the old days you could see contenders or a title fight on network tv.
USA had up-and-comers in Tuesdays.
Now, viewable fights are few and far between.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:00 am to NineLineBind
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Seems like MMA has replaced boxing by becoming a somewhat underground version of the sport.
The UFC isn't underground at all. It's on almost every Saturday on ESPN, ESPN+ and PPV.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:04 am to lsufanva
quote:Lewis wasn't a professional boxer until 1989. Holyfield was still a cruiserweight.
I agree with your last statement as a whole but if we go back to 86-87, no heavyweight fighting wanted any part of Tyson. That includes the guys like Lewis and Holyfield
And plenty wanted to fight Tyson in 1986-87. Both "Bonecrusher" Smith and Tony Tucker went the distance with him in 1987. You buy too much into the hype. When he met good fighters, he lost.
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 12:09 am
Posted on 5/18/21 at 12:05 am to ApexTiger
They all became LBs, DE and RBs in the NFL.
Fury has good personality but is less talented and sloppy compared to previous champions.
Fury has good personality but is less talented and sloppy compared to previous champions.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:09 am to Tyga Woods
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Need a charismatic, dominant American.
I remember talking to a Brit in a pub late 90s and he said, you Americans are so arrogant, you only think boxing matters when an American is Heavyweight Champ of the world...this is when the Klitschko bros came on the scene.
And I was honest...well yeah.
Its the biggest market for boxing and when obscure Russians dominate, well we saw how the sport fell off a cliff in the 2000s.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 2:42 am to ApexTiger
Super heavy weights took over after Tyson and Holyfield. Lewis was the beginning, then many less athletic and much less exciting super heavy weights that just wear opponents out instead of fast heavy hitters.
It’s as good as it has been in a long time right now, though.
It’s as good as it has been in a long time right now, though.
Posted on 5/18/21 at 4:30 am to SpqrTiger
quote:There are natural commercial breaks every 3 minutes
sport is not conducive to TV commercials
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