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re: USGA issues statement on Tiger Woods drop

Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:32 pm to
Posted by medtiger
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:35 pm to
According the USGA, this is what Tiger did that was illegal:

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he Rules do not define “as nearly as possible” in terms of a specific measured distance, because the conditions unique to each situation can affect how near to the original spot it is possible to drop a ball and because dropping a ball is an imprecise act. But in this type of situation, in which that original spot was clearly identifiable as being just behind the back edge of the divot hole created by Woods’ previous stroke and in which there were no other unusual circumstances, “as nearly as possible” means that the player must attempt to drop the ball on or next to (but not nearer the hole than) that spot. Woods did not do so.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:38 pm to
This is where is gets tricky because the usga is on record as saying that a players intention does not matter SO I am not sure how they can penalize him on that drop.

If Tiger attempted to drop the ball in the same spot and it ended up two yards behind the original divot would he receive a penalty for a bad drop?

What if he intended to drop it two yards behind his original divot and it ended up in his original divot? Is that a penalty?

I have done a complete 180 on this since it happened. No way he should get penalized there IMHO FWIW
This post was edited on 5/1/13 at 2:41 pm
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:39 pm to
Jim Nantz is a douche

Thats all.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:50 pm to
quote:

threeputt


quote:

No way he should get penalized there IMHO FWIW


I don't know what to believe anymore. My world has been turned upside down.
Posted by texastiger38
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:53 pm to
quote:

I have done a complete 180 on this since it happened. No way he should get penalized there IMHO FWIW


Yeah that statement from your rules official friend is pretty contradictory to all of this.

The whole thing was a clusterfrick from start to finished though.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:53 pm to
Mine has been as well .. I was once 100% pro tiger getting penalty but after talking to the usga and learning the fact that a players intention has zero effect on weather to or not to call a penalty on that player ... I am 100% against tiger getting called for a penalty ..
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 2:54 pm to
I agree. If intent doesn't matter, then his post-round interview should me nothing.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:32 pm to
quote:

threeputt

quote: No way he should get penalized there IMHO FWIW I don't know what to believe anymore.

My world has been turned upside down.


What the frick is going on here. :mindblown
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/1/13 at 3:34 pm to
I just think it's funny how threeputt is in here defending Tiger, mostly by himself, and most everyone else is against Tiger. It's like the MSB went into an alternate universe where everyone is the opposite of themselves.
Posted by medtiger
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:13 am to
Bump for this...a Champions Tour player, David Eger, is the person who called Augusta and pointed out the rules violation to the committee during Tiger's round.

LINK

quote:

"I could see there was a divot -- not a divot, a divot hole -- when he played the shot the second time that was not there the first time," Eger said. "I played it again and again. I could see that the fairway was spotless the first time he played the shot and there was that divot hole, maybe three or four feet in front of where he played after the drop."


quote:

Eger knew immediately there had been a possible rules violation. He also knew he had to act quickly so that Woods would not sign an incorrect scorecard, which almost always leads to disqualification.


quote:

At 7:30 p.m., 10 minutes after Woods completed his round, Ridley responded by text to Bradley. Regarding Eger's estimate of three to four feet, Ridley wrote that Woods "was closer than that." To look at it closer, he wrote, would be "splitting hairs." Ridley determined that Woods had done nothing wrong, so there was no point in asking him about the drop.


quote:

At about 10:15 on Friday night, nearly three hours after his return text to Bradley, Ridley was informed of Woods's comments to ESPN, by way of a call from Jim Nantz of CBS.



Interesting read about how it all went down that day.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 11:18 am
Posted by Sid in Lakeshore
Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:45 am to
This is why we can't have anything nice. The attorneys have taken over all aspects of our life. The attorneys and the ratting arse douchebags.

Posted by elprez00
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 11:46 am to
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a Champions Tour player, David Eger, is the person who called Augusta and pointed out the rules violation to the committee during Tiger's round.

I'm with threeputt, I don't see where Tiger intentionally did something wrong, especially with where is ball ended up sitting after the drop. We can split hairs on his comment at the press conference (which I still think was in jest, yet people on this board have told me Tiger could hit the flagstick everytime from 135yds out yet somehow doesnt have enough control to short it, but I digress.)

My issue, from the start, is that a viewer instigated this review. A man, sitting in his house, watching TV, insinuated that he observed the drop and had a better view than the goddamn Augusta National rules official standing six feet away? And it was actually taken seriously? I don't care if Bobby Jones rose from the grave to call in, the idea that a viewer could impact the golf tournament is insane.

This, to me, was the equivalent of a viewer calling in during the World Series telling someone that he saw on TV that a guy was safe at first, then having the ruling overturned. Its really absurd to think about.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 11:47 am
Posted by CocomoLSU
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 12:11 pm to
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The Decisions on the Rules of Golf authorize a Committee to correct an incorrect decision before the competition has closed, and they establish that where a Committee incorrectly advises a competitor, before he returns his score card, that he has incurred no penalty, and then subsequently corrects its mistake, it is appropriate for the Committee to waive the disqualification penalty.
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I think that's the key part that summarizes the article.

That was my whole argument in that long arse thread.
Posted by bamafan425
Jackson's Hole
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 12:18 pm to
Good read. It would have been complete sham if Tiger would have got DQ'd after reading how this went down.
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