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re: US (1) v. Jonathan Bornstein (2) - Final

Posted on 3/3/10 at 3:57 pm to
Posted by Ron Mexico
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 3:57 pm to
i think its pretty clear that the US can play with anyone when we are at full strength and in the correct formations


we absolutely have to find playing time for edu imo

if gooch is back, our backline is spector, demerit, gooch, and boca, and that is very solid.

if davies isnt back, dempsey absolutely has to be moved up top with jozy

i think its evident the US is getting better and better at this game, and its only a matter of time, with the right coaching and player development, which is improving every year, before we are up with the best in the worl don a regular basis


anyone who is disappointed with the outcome today should take a step back and think about what happened
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 3:58 pm to
The pairing of Edu/Bradley worked much better than Bradley/Torres. I really think that Bradley needs a dedicated DM beside him because of his propensity to go forward.
Posted by RayFinkleTTU
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 3:59 pm to
Skip Bayless/Alexi Lalas


Stuart Scott





Everyone else
Posted by Leauxgan
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:00 pm to
It's especially optimistic to consider Edu's performance when you take into account that he's not even back to total match fitness or peaking on his general skill level -- still has rust to shake off.

he was great defensively, but left a lot to be desired going forward.
Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:03 pm to
I still don't see Edu as a midfielder, he just ruins so many possessions. I honestly can't see him as even a holding midfielder. I think he knows to go back to Center back like he started his US career.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:04 pm to
Lalas is worse because it isn't a shtick.

Right now, I think Edu/Bradley is the best CM pairing. I will put him over Jermaine Jones right now in my dream formation. This makes me sad because Jermaine looks like B-Tight's doppelganger, while Edu likes to frick ugly Scottish television hosts. However, Jermaine still isn't over his injury from last year, and Edu is in good form.

I have always said Cherundolo is the best back for the US, not Spector. Still, Spector is a huge upgrade over Bornstein, even if he is playing out of position.

Right now:

Howard
Cherundolo-Demerit-Bocanegra-Spector
Edu-Bradley-Beasley
Donovan
Dempsey-Jozy

Put Dempsey back to RM with a healthy Davies and use Beasley as a sub. Bench either Spector or Bocanegra with a healthy Gooch.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

he was great defensively, but left a lot to be desired going forward.


We shouldn't even demand much of him going forward, square passes and balls to someone with some distribution capability should suffice. He can occasionally thread a through ball, but I don't think he found the kind of space he needs to pick a pass.
Posted by crazy4lsu
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:06 pm to
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Still, Spector is a huge upgrade over Bornstein, even if he is playing out of position.


Spector plays a lot of LB for West Ham, as he can't beat the awesomeness that is Julian Faubert.
Posted by glassman
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:13 pm to
quote:

anyone who is disappointed with the outcome today should take a step back and think about what happened


No shite. We lost 2-1 in Amsterdam against a Dutch side missing one starter. No Gooch, Dempsey or Davies. I call that a pretty good result. Bradley, Edu, Jozy and Demerit all looked very good to me.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:29 pm to
Bradley was our best player for most of the game. Beasley provided a spark, and DeMerit was arguably our best player when Bradley wasn't.

Edu was alright. 6 out of 10. I thought Torres did fine. He should have been dropping in. He can play that holding role just fine. He's a crafty player and good tackler.

I still like this:

Posted by Tiger n Austin
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Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:30 pm to
quote:

anyone who is disappointed with the outcome today should take a step back and think about what happened


I think the best thing that happened was that it is painfully obvious that Bornstein should never see the field for the WC. And I mean literally, he should not see the field from the bench, but rather on TV. I'd rather see Torres in goal with T. Howard playing LB before I see Borny playing.
Posted by barry
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:34 pm to
This is what i don't understand, i see list like ESPN puts out with the 50 best players in the world cup and we have one at 50, which people were saying was too high. Yet we compete very well, it seems like teams should be blowing us out the water if there talent is that much better.
Posted by hendersonshands
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:39 pm to
It's because our players are very scrappy, we are disciplined and we don't go forward unless we're absolutely sure.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:40 pm to
International competition is always closer than you would think. Look at Canada in hockey, Brazil in soccer, or even the US in basketball to a lesser extent.

Guys like Deco, Pepe, Aurelio, and Liedson would never make the Brazilian team yet all have featured for European countries with lots of recent success.

The US was definitely not the better team tonight, but they were still able to compete with the Dutch. It's kind of like Argentina losing by 20 or whatever to the Dream Team.
Posted by Stewie Griffin
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:48 pm to
I wouldn't say the "talent" is better...our athletes are world class. Other teams just have better technique.
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 4:54 pm to
Other than Beasley, Donovan, a healthy Deuce, and Davies, I don't think we have too many really fast guys with skill (thus taking out EJ and Findley). Countries like Holland, France, England, and Spain have way more than that.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 5:14 pm to
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Countries like Holland, France, England, and Spain have way more than that.

holland has like 2 fast guys...babel and robben

france has a bunch of islanders

endland has a few fast guys no doubt, but most are tiny...same with spain
Posted by Keys Open Doors
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 5:18 pm to
Holland has a bunch of dangerous guys. Players like Afellay would start for the US, especially right now, and are just getting cursory looks there. van der Vaart and Sneijder are also at least up there with Donovan. I like all three of those guys. Obviously Robben is a hell of a player, but too injury prone.

quote:

france has a bunch of islanders


They're still on the French team, instead of Guadaloupe or whatever It's not too different from us getting Jozy and Freddy Adu.
Posted by ezride25
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Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 6:46 pm to
Can I get a recap?

How did Torres play and why was he subbed at 46 mins?

Did Beasley look back in form on the wing? His speed is an advantage if he can avoid turning it over.

And Josmere? Does he look ready to play like a striker yet?

Overall did we attack in the offensive 3rd or did we just try to clog the middle and counter attack? How did the possession look? Were we outclassed or unlucky?

TIA I missed it obviously.
Posted by ATL_Tiger
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Posted on 3/3/10 at 6:47 pm to
Good thing is, if everyone is healthy for our defense, Bornstein is likely 3rd option at LB. #1 would be Spector, #2 Boca, #3 Bornstein...probably actualyl #4 behind Heath Pearce or Goodsen. Atleast they can push forward.

I like the idea of Bradley and Edu in the middle. Bradley's propensity to push up fits well with Edu's propensity to stay back. Plus, I'm more comfortable with Bradley given to freedom to play as a box to box midfielder without having as much defensive responsibility, especially because he gets caught out of position on occasion.

Not sure where I would slot Donovan honestly. He didn't look very comfortable today. Seems like he feels most comfortable right wing, and a bit tucked in to be able to run at goal. Similar to his role on Everton, but a little more central.

I thought Beasley was outstanding. It took him a while to get a feel for the game, but excelled at the end. It'll be interesting to see how Bradley uses him going forward.

We NEEEEED Davies back. No other forward we have can do what he does. If he was on the receiving end of some of those balls sent in to Findley, he would have definitely made more of those chances. Other guys going down like Dempsey and Gooch going down have replacements that can step in (Holden for example or Demerit/Boca).
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