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re: Update: Oregon & WA to the BIG. Utah, ASU, AZ apply to the Big 12. RIP Pac 12

Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:29 pm to
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:29 pm to
The interview I was listening to yesterday made it clear Apple wouldn’t do it.

Their negotiation style is very “my way or the highway” and they walked away from the NFL a year or two back after they made their offer and the NFL thought it wasn’t enough.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
Then the Arizona BOR needs to tell Crow to STFD and STFU while the adults fix this mess.
Posted by Civildawg
Member since May 2012
10195 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
So is half revenue from the Big 10 more than full revenue from the PAC 12? I don't understand these moves. Also when we getting a name change from these conferences?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
33877 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
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Big 12 should invite Stanford and Tulane to get to 18 teams after the remaining 4 corner schools gets approved and tell Cal sorry


The Big 12 really should just invite the entire remaining Pac 12, then divide up into two divisions.
Posted by Jwho77
cyperspace
Member since Sep 2003
83573 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:30 pm to
Tulane is a G5 school so FOX/ESPN will not pay for them to join. The Big 12 is not adding G5 schools. That's why the talk of UConn was particularly silly (unless a financially strapped ESPN was going to make an exception for the school in their backyard).
Posted by captron
Occupied Sillycon Valley
Member since Jul 2018
561 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:32 pm to
quote:

both schools certainly have the money to fund that if they wanted to.


Cal athletics is in debt up to their eyeballs.

LINK
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9446 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:33 pm to
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Washington is joining the B1G where UW has been taken for well over 100 years. They can be


Sounds like a good case for new budding rivalry...you just made the case for expansion, congrats!!
Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
58642 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:33 pm to
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Ross Dellenger

How did this happen?

Minutes before Pac-12 presidents planned to meet this morning and potentially agree to a Grant of Rights, Oregon officials alerted commissioner George Kliavkoff that their concerns with the Apple deal had led to a re-engagement with the Big Ten.

quote:

Oregon & Washington have longed for a B1G invite & were on a list of expansion targets that the league created under commissioner Kevin Warren, who had urged administrators to pursue the two.

UO and UW applied for membership last year. Pushback in the league ended in no vote.
Posted by jfan244888
Soda City, SC
Member since Jul 2021
1037 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:33 pm to
Big 10 is roughly $100 million per school.

Pac12 apple deal was $200 for 9 with escalators based on subscribers.

Uh yes a half share ($50 million) is much better financially.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 1:37 pm
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
44853 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:34 pm to
BIG will be about 40-45 MM. PAC 20. Plus, people don't really understand the distances out west. Tempe to Seattle is roughly the same as Tempe to Tuscaloosa. So when USC left, it put UW/O in a spot.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:35 pm to
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Pac12 apple deal was $200 for 9 with escalators based on subscribers.


$200m / 9 schools, but it was a distinct possibility Apple would cut it to $200 for all of them.
Posted by usc6158
Member since Feb 2008
38479 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:36 pm to
The Civil War and the Apple Cup dying is a sad biproduct. Those were always extremely fun games.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:37 pm to
Those can still happen if Oregon and UW want. Short distance games which can still be rivalry games albeit no longer in conference.
Posted by BZ504
Texas
Member since Oct 2005
12746 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:38 pm to
New PAC-12: Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Wazzu, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, SMU, Tulane, New Mexico, Memphis (maybe less 2 to make it 12)

Thoughts?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:39 pm to
quote:

New PAC-12: Stanford, Cal, Oregon State, Wazzu, San Diego State, UNLV, Colorado State, Boise State, Fresno State, Air Force, SMU, Tulane, New Mexico, Memphis (maybe less 2 to make it 12) Thoughts?


LOL at Cal, who turned up their noses at a lot of these schools when the PAC had USC and UCLA to fall back on.
Posted by dawgfan24348
Member since Oct 2011
51431 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:40 pm to
Memphis seems like a major outlier, maybe sub them out for Wyoming or Hawaii
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
149402 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:41 pm to
i mena, do you blame them?
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
103104 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:43 pm to
The problem for them is that they turned up their nose at pretty much any team joining the PAC other than Colorado, Texas, and Oklahoma.

Texas Tech, Baylor, Okie State, etc, aren’t Harvard but they are better than the schools Cal is about to be playing annually.


If they hadn’t been such dicks about it in the last big expansion, people wouldn’t be getting such a kick out of this happening.
Posted by Lawyered
The Sip
Member since Oct 2016
37018 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:44 pm to
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Memphis seems like a major outlier, maybe sub them out for Wyoming or Hawaii


Much like La Tech was in the WAC
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
38115 posts
Posted on 8/4/23 at 1:45 pm to
If I'm Arizona im doing whatever is necessary to get ASU in line if theyre holding this up before I get fricked over behind their ineptitude.
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