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re: Tyson Fury is the most unbeatable boxing champion
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:33 pm to molsusports
Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:33 pm to molsusports
Lewis was also a past his prime at that point
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Posted on 4/24/22 at 10:34 pm to Streelman
Isn’t their an argument that Fury got saved by a late starting count in the first Wilder fight or am I thinking of somebody else
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:20 am to Streelman
I don’t care what anyone thinks of Deontay Wilder as a boxer, but the man absolutely has a bundle of dynamite tucked inside his right glove, and in their first fight he caught Fury with about as clean a right as he could have hoped for. Fury went down like a bag of rocks, laid there for a few seconds, then got back up and finished the fight. Tyson Fury is an unkillable zombie. Put him in whatever era you like, he would hold his own.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:24 am to TheTideMustRoll
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I don’t care what anyone thinks of Deontay Wilder as a boxer, but the man absolutely has a bundle of dynamite tucked inside his right glove
Does no good when you face an opponent that can take your Sunday punch. Wilder is very limited and he was coddled for a reason. His first 4 or 5 defenses were some of the worst in Boxing history. His team babied him because they knew his limitations and in the end it did Wilder no good. He looked like an amateur even against mediocre competition. Fury made him look silly. How many total rounds did Wilder win vs Fury in 3 fights? 4? 5? You have to be able to actually fight when you can’t KO your opponent. Wilder can’t fight.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 6:26 am
Posted on 4/25/22 at 6:34 am to Streelman
Fury is fighting in the weakest era of heavyweight boxing. He would get crushed by the all time greats
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:44 am to molsusports
quote:With Lewis winning the last 2 rounds. It was only getting worse for Stevie Wonder.
The judges had it 58-56 Klitschko.
If Vitali, by some amazing miracle, lasted the distance. . .Lewis wins all the other rounds, and Vitali loses an eye (at best)
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:51 am to ronricks
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Wilder can’t fight.
I've said that ever since I first saw the guy fight on TV.
His footwork is awful, those windmill arm punches reminded me of a girl trying her best to fight, the way he pulled straight back when pressured is a recipe for getting followed and hit by an opponent and he has questionable stamina.
I actually laughed the first time I saw him unloading on an opponent with those wild windmill punches and coming off his feet when throwing them. My first thought was "How bad is the heavyweight division that this clown is a champion"?
Even basic amateurs know your power comes from the ground up as you pivot on your feet to generate punching power through your legs, hips and torso when throwing punches.
ETA: Wilder reminds me of a male version of Rhonda Rousey when she was campaigning in the UFC. Everybody was gaga over her like she was some super fighter and even going as far as some claiming she'd give Floyd Mayweather a good fight.
Then along comes Holly Holmes and KO's her with ease, followed by Rousey trying to come back and getting KO'd again by Nunes in quick time. Then she disappeared only to wind up in what passes for pro wrestling where the outcome is settled in the dressing room prior to the match.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 7:56 am
Posted on 4/25/22 at 7:56 am to TheOcean
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Fury is fighting in the weakest era of heavyweight boxing.
Not so sure about that. The late 50's to early 60's when Patterson, Johansson, and Liston were champions was pretty weak. Early to mid 80's was also weak when it seemed everyone was playing musical belts with the WBA and WBC belts until Tyson came along and unified. Let's also not forget the early 30's where we had Schmeling->Sharkey->Carnera->Baer->Braddock in a span of only 5 years. This era isn't strong by any means but I don't think it is the weakest. Fury with his physical tools and assets is just a tough nut to crack. It shouldn't be legal for a guy to have his size, range, skills, and movement.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 8:09 am
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:23 am to Roaad
Lewis won the sixth round. But that was the only round of the fight the judges scored him ahead.
If they kept fighting Lewis was probably getting knocked out
If they kept fighting Lewis was probably getting knocked out
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:39 am to molsusports
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Lewis won the sixth round. But that was the only round of the fight the judges scored him ahead.
I think not....
Scoring by the judges in that fight went like this:
Tom Kaczmarek had it scored 2 rounds for Lewis, both 3 and 6
James Jen Kin had Lewis winning 5 and 6
Pat Russell had Lewis winning 3 and 6
Don't know where you got your information from, but try BoxRec for the truth.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 8:47 am to ronricks
You used a lot of words to say that you either completely missed the point of my post or didn’t bother reading past the middle of the first sentence. I’m not arguing Wilder is a great boxer, but I am saying that his right hand can absolutely put people to sleep, and Fury took his best punch and got back up again. Not just anyone can do that. Fury is a tough man to beat, which is probably why no one has managed to do it yet.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:01 am to TheTideMustRoll
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but I am saying that his right hand can absolutely put people to sleep
What is Wilder's best KO win on his resume? Ortiz? Wilder fought a bunch of handpicked stiffs. He fought something like 6 optional fights in a row which is unheard of before facing a mandatory opponent. A lot of fighters would have mowed down the majority of the guys Wilder fought. Knocking out guys like Molina, Szpilka, Washington, Breazeale, Duhaupas, etc. isn't impressive. The hilarious thing is Wilder struggled with a few of those guys before KOing them. Wilder was a product of his cautious matchmaking. When he was put in there with a guy who could not only take his punch he crumbled. You think Wilder would knock out guys like Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, Ali, Holmes, etc.? Not likely.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:03 am to gumbo2176
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Tom Kaczmarek had it scored 2 rounds for Lewis, both 3 and 6
James Jen Kin had Lewis winning 5 and 6
Pat Russell had Lewis winning 3 and 6
I meant the majority of the judges. Road made up this nonsense about Lewis winning more as the fight progressed.
I stand corrected regarding the 3rd. I forgot two of three scored that for Lewis (thought one gave him the 3rd, one the 5th, and one another round).
Posted on 4/25/22 at 9:08 am to ronricks
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You think Wilder would knock out guys like Foreman, Bowe, Holyfield, Ali, Holmes, etc.? Not likely.
Any guy who punches as hard as Wilder will always have a chance against any opponent because all it takes is one lapse of concentration, one chink in the defense and it could be lights out.
That said, he'd not only not knock out any of the above, he'd also not win the fight. Those guys could fight, and went against the best they could go against in their careers, not cherry picked opponents who didn't offer much of a challenge.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:11 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Friend took me to Dave Jaco's house in Sarasota back in the 90's. He was cool but punch drunk as hell. But you just knew that if an average guy hit him, he would probably laugh at you.
Posted on 4/25/22 at 11:19 am to kemm1
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Wow! Getting knocked down multiple times by Wilder is a tell that Fury would not be top 10 in the 1990s. Wilder is not a boxer.
Lennox Lewis got knocked out twice by barely top 10 fighters. Tyson is a foot shorter and got knocked out by a barely top 10 fighter. Holyfield couldn't handle Riddick Bowes jab and Fury is even longer. Bowe would probably be the best comparison but his only fights against an awkward fighter ( that i remember ) was Andrew Golota and he was losing on points twice when the fights were stopped.
I'm not sure of what other 90s heavyweights you would put ahead of him but all of them have pretty serious flaws. Fury is 6'9 with a hell of a long reach and a very awkward stance that would be hard for anyone to deal with. I'm not saying he is the most talented ever but he would be a matchup nightmare for any of the all timers
Posted on 4/25/22 at 12:46 pm to 0
The dude is a great mix of athleticism and sheer size. He's light years better than all the champs since Lewis. It would have been fun to see him in the 90's.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 3:27 pm to Roaad
He beat Klitschko when he was nowhere near as polished and powerful as he is now. He used his signature movement and kind of just threw his hands into Klitschko’s vision without any real intent on damage with most of those punches. If he fought him in his prime now he’d kill Klitschko and Lewis with his glass chin would have tons of trouble against Fury as well. What he’s done to maximize that 6-9 frame as a boxer we’ve never seen before and that includes these other fighters.
This post was edited on 4/25/22 at 3:29 pm
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:25 pm to gumbo2176
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Everybody was gaga over her like she was some super fighter and even going as far as some claiming she'd give Floyd Mayweather a good fight.
You speak of most people in this thread…
Posted on 4/25/22 at 5:27 pm to ronricks
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This era isn't strong by any means but I don't think it is the weakest. Fury with his physical tools and assets is just a tough nut to crack. It shouldn't be legal for a guy to have his size, range, skills, and movement.
This the weakest by far… as far as size and skill George Forman light years better than Fury
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