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re: Trevor Lawrence gets obliterated while sliding. Brawl erupts, the cart is out

Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:42 pm to
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:42 pm to
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So you think it was an ok hit on Trevor????
What?
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:42 pm to
What an idiot statement. Is he not supossed to try and get a 1st down.
Posted by Big4SALTbro
Member since Jun 2019
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 12:45 pm to
Rex Ryan had a good point on this that going forward when qbs are in this situation they should be diving at ankles not sliding and hoping the defender doesn’t take a shot.
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:03 pm to
The answer for the defender is that you have to concede the slide.

Does it suck? Yes. Is it a cheap out for an offensive player? Also yes.

Is it the price of doing business? Also yes.
Posted by SirWinston
PNW
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:09 pm to
Prayers for our Trev.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:11 pm to
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What an idiot statement. Is he not supossed to try and get a 1st down.


If he doesn’t want to get hit, yes. If he wants to try and get the first down he shouldn’t have protection when he jumps down at the last minute (I admit in this one case the tackler likely could have dove over the top, but in most cases the qb slides late and it’s not the defender’s fault).

Trevor Lawrence ran for almost 10 yards when he could have slid at any point there to make sure he didn’t get touched. But he wanted the yards. I don’t blame a defender for trying to stop the qb from getting yards.
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:11 pm to


I love how the Jags and Vikings incorporate their own font (seen on their kits) into the yard line numerals on the field as well.
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 1:12 pm
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:13 pm to
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Trevor Lawrence ran for almost 10 yards when he could have slid at any point there to make sure he didn’t get touched. But he wanted the yards. I don’t blame a defender for trying to stop the qb from getting yards


This has happened on numerous other QB runs / slides but it has nothing to do with the play yesterday. Our Trev slid well in advance and several yards before the first down marker. I've seen QBs slide way way way later than this and "abuse" the rule far more than Trev did on this play
Posted by southpawcock
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:18 pm to
Guys.. we're islamophobes.

“To the rest of his teammates I can definitely understand you having his back and defending him in a situation like that. To the rest of the people who l’ve been called every single name in the book from reporters with their hands ready for a story to find their villain, to racist and islamophobic fans and people, you don’t know my heart nor my character which I don’t need to prove to any of you. God knows my intentions and anyone who has ever been a teammate or friend of mine knows my heart.”
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60833 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 1:32 pm to
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If he doesn’t want to get hit, yes. If he wants to try and get the first down he shouldn’t have protection when he jumps down at the last minute


The point of sliding is he’s giving himself up. Of course he is trying to get yards but he gives himself up and the rule is pretty clear that once he does he doesn’t get hit. This wasn’t a case of the defender is making a tackle and accidentally hits his head because he’s going down.

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(I admit in this one case the tackler likely could have dove over the top, but in most cases the qb slides late and it’s not the defender’s fault)


We are talking about this play not “most cases” He lead with his forearm he was clearly trying to get in a cheap shot. He has a history of dirty/cheap late hits
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:34 pm to
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Rex Ryan had a good point on this that going forward when qbs are in this situation they should be diving at ankles not sliding and hoping the defender doesn’t take a shot.

Was just coming to post this.

Yes, it was a very illegal hit, but Rex is right. quarterbacks can 100% prevent this from happening by not sliding when they’re about to get hit.

Why, as a QB, would you put yourself in a position where it’s now up to the defender to do the right thing and do it perfectly so you don’t get knocked out?
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:39 pm to
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lsubatman1

This is you, isn't it?

Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:40 pm to
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Choupique19

Jesus Christ
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:41 pm to
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Our Trev

Stop
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60833 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:42 pm to
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Why, as a QB, would you put yourself in a position where it’s now up to the defender to do the right thing and do it perfectly so you don’t get knocked out?


Because it’s a clearly stated rule would be my guess. I would say think also the chance of injury is less on that type of slide vs head first if you are not touched on either slide
Posted by real turf fan
East Tennessee
Member since Dec 2016
11300 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 3:50 pm to
I don't think highly of Azeez, and he said something about the beginning of the game to make us think better of him. But, I think it implies something worse: at the beginning of the game Azeez approached Trevor and said how glad he was that Trevor was back from his shoulder injury.

The concussing hit may have happened because Azeez was aiming to further injure Trevor's just back from not playing because of that injured shoulder....that shoulder.

Posted by Big Scrub TX
Member since Dec 2013
38521 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 4:03 pm to
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Why, as a QB, would you put yourself in a position where it’s now up to the defender to do the right thing and do it perfectly so you don’t get knocked out?
You could say this about a lot of things. Why call for a fair catch when you put yourself in a position where you depend on the defender to do the "right thing" and not utterly obliterate you while defenseless? Why duck out of bounds when it's purely up to the defender not to illegally hit you? etc.

The guy CLEARLY gave him a forearm to the face that would have been illegal even without a slide. This isn't hard.
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
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Posted on 12/2/24 at 5:52 pm to
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Because it’s a clearly stated rule would be my guess.

Sure, I already acknowledged that. But the defender gets an unsportsmanlike penalty, maybe an ejection and the QB ends up in the concussion protocol.

If I were a QB I’m not sure I’d want to depend on the rules to protect me once I’ve made myself defenseless by sliding. I think that’s what Rex’s point is.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
60833 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:13 pm to
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If I were a QB I’m not sure I’d want to depend on the rules to protect me once I’ve made myself defenseless by sliding. I think that’s what Rex’s point is


I find that silly. Do we tell WR or RB not to jump because it makes them defenseless? If you want to play that game what exactly is stopping someone from making dirty hits at someone knees or head when they are just running and not necessarily defenseless other than the “rules”. Saying they shouldn’t slide because of this incident is just an overreaction. Bring the hammer on Al Shahir
This post was edited on 12/2/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Dadren
Jawja
Member since Dec 2023
3140 posts
Posted on 12/2/24 at 6:37 pm to
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we tell WR or RB not to jump because it makes them defenseless?

You can still legally hit a WR or RB after they make the catch, correct?
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if you want to play that game what exactly is stopping someone from making dirty hits at someone knees or head when they are just running and not necessarily defenseless other than the “rules”.

What game? And how is that comparable to a quarterbacks ability to go from ball carrier to untouchable instantly within the field of play? While putting his head in the exact place that any legit tackle would be aiming at?
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Saying they shouldn’t slide because of this incident is just an overreaction. Bring the hammer on Al Shahir

Can you not see that it’s possible to acknowledge that it was a dirty hit (which I’ve now done for the third time) and hold the opinion that QBs might want to consider a different action in these situations to protect themselves?
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