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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:02 am to shel311
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:02 am to shel311
quote:But Crowder is a good player. He's not an all-star caliber, but he's had a higher real +/- than Hayward in each of the last two seasons, the on-off statistics are supplemental to that. He also had an EFG% of 57.2, so he was an efficient scorer.
Right, but Gobert is good, and so is Hayward. Crowder is not good like Horford or IT4. That's where the discrepancy comes in where it's not really an apples and apples comparison IMO.
Hayward is better, but he's not that much better, expecially at 4.5 times the salary, and 3+ times the salary of Crowder and Olynyk.
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Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:15 am to buckeye_vol
quote:Again the difference in how much he's contributed to that vs how much he's been fortunate to have good team members compared to the same 2 things for Hayward really makes it apples and oranges.
but he's had a higher real +/- than Hayward in each of the last two seasons, the on-off statistics are supplemental to that.
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Hayward is better, but he's not that much better
Hayward is much better than Crowder, c'mon man.
Utah plays the slowest pace in the league. I wish I could find the tweet, but based on per 100 possessions, there were only like 4 players in the league averaging something 33/8/5 on 47%+ shooting. It was LeBron, KD, 1 more guy maybe, and Hayward.
I'll see if I can find it. You could maybe argue is Hayward worth a max, but I don't get this Hayward isn't much better than Crowder talk.
ETA: Kawhi was the 4th.
ETA2: The only players to go 33/8/5 (no FG%) were LBJ/KD/Russ/Harden/Kawhi/Boogie/Hayward
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 11:20 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:20 am to PrimeTime Money
Clutchfans investigators have now done some surveillance and have confirmed Carmelo is in Houston:
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:22 am to PrimeTime Money
I think creepers might be a better term than investigators 
It's a little weird how far it's gotten. I'm waiting for the time someone finds travel brochures in a player's trash
It's a little weird how far it's gotten. I'm waiting for the time someone finds travel brochures in a player's trashPosted on 7/6/17 at 11:23 am to PrimeTime Money
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:25 am to PrimeTime Money
Looks like he might be connecting to Cabo. SJD (at the bottom next to his name) is the airport code for Cabo. I think United flights to Newark are pretty limited from Cabo to compared to several a day from IAH
Obviously for plebs like you and I they would check it all the way through but someone special like him they may not
Obviously for plebs like you and I they would check it all the way through but someone special like him they may not
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:30 am to shel311
quote:Well why do you keep think I'm using real +/- which you keep ignoring for some reason? It attempts to isolate each player's contribution by controlling for the other players on the court.
Again the difference in how much he's contributed to that vs how much he's been fortunate to have good team members compared to the same 2 things for Hayward really makes it apples and oranges.
quote:If he was much better, the data would show he is much better. He is better, but he's not 4.5 times better.
Hayward is much better than Crowder, c'mon man.
quote:It's Kawhi but those figured are so arbitrary. Kyrie almost meets it if you switch assists (8.3) and rebounds (4.5).
Utah plays the slowest pace in the league. I wish I could find the tweet, but based on per 100 possessions, there were only like 4 players in the league averaging something 33/8/5 on 47%+ shooting. It was LeBron, KD, 1 more guy maybe, and Hayward.
quote:If he was much better than he wouldn't have a lower real +/- and only a marginally better box +/- over the last 2 Seasons. For 0 to 2 points per 100 possessions, 25 million dollars is a lot for a marginal gain.
I'll see if I can find it. You could maybe argue is Hayward worth a max, but I don't get this Hayward isn't much better than Crowder talk.
And when you consider that it's Crowder + Olynyk and their 11.4 million combined salary, Hayward and his 32 million dollar salary is clearly less value for the cost, and may be less value overall.
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 11:35 am
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:31 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
Good call.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 11:33 am to PrimeTime Money
I mean I have no idea how commercial air travel goes for the rich and famous though
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:14 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
ZBo to the Kings. 
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:49 pm to PrimeTime Money
I loved the 5/52 Waiters deal for Miami. He had a strong season
Posted on 7/6/17 at 12:59 pm to Wanderin Reb
Damn. Never though I'd see him play anywhere but Memphis
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:13 pm to NawlinsTiger9
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Tim MacMahon?Verified account @espn_macmahon 7m7 minutes ago More Sources: The Mavs are in the process of finalizing a two-year, $10 million deal with Dirk Nowitzki. The second season will be a team option.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:30 pm to David Ricky
I love Dirk, that is all
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:35 pm to GeauxAggie972
Even as a Rockets fan I love Dirk. I hate the Mavs but I dunno how you can't respect him
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:49 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Hayward is better, but he's not that much better
No, he is
Posted on 7/6/17 at 1:57 pm to David Ricky
This post was edited on 7/6/17 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:01 pm to buckeye_vol
Hayward barely better than Jae clam chowder???
Thanks for proving you don't know much about nba. Congrats.
Thanks for proving you don't know much about nba. Congrats.
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:15 pm to Fat Bastard
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Thanks for proving you don't know much about nba. Congrats.
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Posted by Fat Bastard on 7/4/17 at 8:36 pm to Fus0623
yes please atlanta take jae the master bricklayer off our hands!!!
57% eFG
40% 3PT
61% TS
Is laying bricks per Fat Bastard from the internet
Posted on 7/6/17 at 2:24 pm to David Ricky
I was wondering when somebody was going to call him out for that comment.
Bottom line, Crowder is a very good player. I'd love to have him back on Dallas. HOWEVER, anyone who thinks that Hayward is only slightly better hasn't been watching him play in the last few years at all.
Bottom line, Crowder is a very good player. I'd love to have him back on Dallas. HOWEVER, anyone who thinks that Hayward is only slightly better hasn't been watching him play in the last few years at all.
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