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Top 8 NBA Teams Since 1980 and play them against each other - who is best?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:04 pm
The Magic Johnson thread got me thinking about how the top 8 teams of the past 4 decades would fare against one another. I left some great teams out, like Houston in the 90s, the 2010-11 Lakers, the Celtics from 2008-2010, or Lebron's Cavaliers. But, this seemed right.
I ranked them this way ...
1. 90's Bulls
2. 2010's Warriors
3. Late 80's Lakers
4. Mid 80's Celtics
5. Early 2000's Lakers
6. Mid 2000's Spurs
7. 2010's Heat
8. Late 80's Pistons
But, when I pit them head to head, the top team didn't always win the matchup through the playoffs ....
90's Bulls vs. Late 80's Pistons - Bulls win 4-2
2010's Warriors vs. 2010's Heat - Warriors win 4-1
Late 80's Lakers vs. Mid 2000's Spurs - Lakers win 4-3
Mid 80's Celtics vs. Early 2000's Lakers - Lakers win 4-2
90's Bulls vs. Early 2000s Lakers - Lakers win 4-3
2010s Warriors vs. Late 80's Lakers - Warriors win 4-2
2010s Warriors vs. Early 2000s Lakers - Warriors win 4-2
I think this iteration of the Warriors might be the best team of them all.
I'm sure people will disagree with me. Use this format and take a shot at it. I'm interested to see what people's opinions are.
I ranked them this way ...
1. 90's Bulls
2. 2010's Warriors
3. Late 80's Lakers
4. Mid 80's Celtics
5. Early 2000's Lakers
6. Mid 2000's Spurs
7. 2010's Heat
8. Late 80's Pistons
But, when I pit them head to head, the top team didn't always win the matchup through the playoffs ....
90's Bulls vs. Late 80's Pistons - Bulls win 4-2
2010's Warriors vs. 2010's Heat - Warriors win 4-1
Late 80's Lakers vs. Mid 2000's Spurs - Lakers win 4-3
Mid 80's Celtics vs. Early 2000's Lakers - Lakers win 4-2
90's Bulls vs. Early 2000s Lakers - Lakers win 4-3
2010s Warriors vs. Late 80's Lakers - Warriors win 4-2
2010s Warriors vs. Early 2000s Lakers - Warriors win 4-2
I think this iteration of the Warriors might be the best team of them all.
I'm sure people will disagree with me. Use this format and take a shot at it. I'm interested to see what people's opinions are.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:21 pm to AlaTiger
I agree with you.
I view the current "small ball" phenomenon in the same vein as the passing craze in the NFL. It isn't a trend that just is -- its a trend because it's better. None of the teams you listed are modern enough to hang with the current warriors from range, so the Warriors would drown all of them in points. Even the 96 bulls - they hit about 6 three-pointers a game, and that was with the temporarily shortened distance. The current Warriors hit 12.
It sounds crazy, but IMO the only team that would have a prayer of hanging with the current Warriors in history are the 2012-2013 Heat, because they played semi-modern basketball. They might win 1 game in a best of 7. The rest of your teams? The 2016 Warriors would 4-0 them all.
I view the current "small ball" phenomenon in the same vein as the passing craze in the NFL. It isn't a trend that just is -- its a trend because it's better. None of the teams you listed are modern enough to hang with the current warriors from range, so the Warriors would drown all of them in points. Even the 96 bulls - they hit about 6 three-pointers a game, and that was with the temporarily shortened distance. The current Warriors hit 12.
It sounds crazy, but IMO the only team that would have a prayer of hanging with the current Warriors in history are the 2012-2013 Heat, because they played semi-modern basketball. They might win 1 game in a best of 7. The rest of your teams? The 2016 Warriors would 4-0 them all.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:26 pm to AlaTiger
Who knows how they'd do against each other...but it would be difficult to pass up the 1986 Boston Celtics because they could play any style from any era...grind it out low post - wizard half-court passing with cuts ala the 70's Trailblazers - with Walton and Bird and Mchale passing to cutting guards. Or they could play fast break with the Showtime Lakers.
That team would be hard to defend because they could beat you by adapting to the opponent - any style...Bad Boys, Lakers, Twin Towers with the low-post Rockets, you name it.
That team would be hard to defend because they could beat you by adapting to the opponent - any style...Bad Boys, Lakers, Twin Towers with the low-post Rockets, you name it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:30 pm to AlaTiger
The 1996-97 Chicago Bulls are the best team in the history of pro basketball. Period.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:37 pm to AlaTiger
The 2001 Lakers were the most impressive playoff team I've seen in my life. They played a 58 win Spurs team with Duncan and Robinson and massacred them like they weren't even there. In that series, Derek Fisher made 15 out of 20 threes. How do you stop a team like the Shaq/Kobe Lakers when Derek Fisher is knocking down threes at a 75% clip?
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:38 pm to AlaTiger
Depends on which officials are calling the game. 80's refs or today's.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:39 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:I've always thought this, but bottom trams in mid 90's were generally really poor, but 96-97 was unique because of the 2 team expansion. So despite a slow pace, 3 teams last by an average of 7.33 or more points per game and one team lost by 10.23 points per game. This season the worst team lost by 6.74 points per game.
The 1996-97 Chicago Bulls are the best team in the history of pro basketball. Period.
In other words, the bottom of the league is tougher now than in 96-97.
In addition, the Pippen and Jordan both played considerably more minutes than any single player on this year's Warriors. In the playoffs, the top 6 players on the Bulls accounted for 80% of the total minutes. The top 7 players on Warriors only account for 76% of the total minutes.
So despite comparable margins, the Bulls required more minutes from their top players to attain it.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:45 pm to buckeye_vol
I believe that's where the true debate lies, not the 96 Bulls vs the 17 Warriors, given they successfully complete this series. May even include the 83 76ers in the mix. The 97 Bulls resume is quite impressive: 69 wins, 11 pt MOV, best scoring offense, top ten scoring defense, best offensive rating, 4th best defensive rating, an average schedule but hella tougher than the 96 team, only 4 playoff losses, Phil Jackson, MJ, Scottie, Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr, etc. Now that's a dominant squad.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 5:58 pm to ThePTExperience1969
quote:Well I still think the 95-96 Bulls team was better, but the thing is those teams relied on heavy minutes from Pippen and Jordan.
The 97 Bulls resume is quite impressive: 69 wins, 11 pt MOV, best scoring offense, top ten scoring defense, best offensive rating, 4th best defensive rating, an average schedule but hella tougher than the 96 team,
For example, the Pippen and Jordan played 34.1% of the minutes on the 96-97 Bulls.
Thompson (4th best player) and Curry had the most minutes for the Warriors, and they only accounted for 26.7% of the minutes. Curry and Durant combined for 23.8% of the minutes.
In other words, the Bulls required more out of their top players. And I think it showed with MJ only shooting 45.6% from the field and an EFG of 46.9%, which are poor by his standards. And he only shot 43.2% in the last 4 games of the finals.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:00 pm to AlaTiger
Like the thread but these series would be much closer only 2 teams who would be in danger of being out in 6 are the Heat and Pistons. Warriors Bulls both Lakers and Celtics are all Alltime teams and would be coin flips. I'd probly say the Bulls and 2000 Lakers maybe the top 2 being their the only 3 peat teams since Bill Russell's dominant teams from the way way back.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:04 pm to buckeye_vol
I'm not saying it isn't arguable if the Warriors win this title, but we have to account for the fact they played a very weak schedule(22nd best in the league) compared to the 97 Bulls which I believe detracts from the season when there's a team with 3 all-timers that win 69 games with a tougher schedule. The objective is to win and dominate not how many minutes one plays which is completely irrelevant to how good a team is.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:19 pm to ThePTExperience1969
You really have to take a close look at match ups. Take the 87 Laker against the Warriors Magic at 6-9 is a big mismatch the. You go to Kareem who was 7-2 and still and unstoppable force on offence, he'd avg 30 easy against that front line. Then you go to GS and Durant who is 6-9 not 7 foot like ppl keep saying vs Worthy also 6-9 and for ppl who didn't see him he's like a mix between a bigger Sean Marion in the open court and had the midrange game of a rip Hamilton in the half court plus a post game so that's a more level matchup than ppl think plus the Lakers played at just as fast a pace if not faster some years depending on which coach you choose. Another matchup with GS is the Bulls who's real advantage was when Jordan and Pippen picked teams up full court and applied pressure to your guards ppl just don't remember how much work it was just getting the ball up the floor against those two and with Harper another defensive wiz their peremeter length was huge. They could also neutralize GS small lineup with Rodman on Green at center and Tony K at the 4. Then you go to the Celtics and the way they just brutalized you in the paint with size and skill, they'd be a very tough guard for the Warriors too. And of course Kobe and Shaq and all the problems they created plus their benchs depth and versatility. I'm not saying the Warriors couldn't beat all these teams but besides the Bad Boys and Heat I think it's a coin flip between the rest.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 6:23 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:23 pm to AlaTiger
Be more specific - the 2001 Lakers went on a 39-2 streak through the playoffs where they won by an average of something like 15-20 points a game.
That squad in that window beats any of these teams
That squad in that window beats any of these teams
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:23 pm to Madking
quote:that's all well and good but who's guarding klay and Steph then? I mean if you put magic on Steph he'd make him look silly
You really have to take a close look at match ups. Take the 87 Laker against the Warriors Magic at 6-9 is a big mismatch the. You go to Kareem who was 7-2 and still and unstoppable force on offence, he'd avg 30 easy against that front line. Then you go to GS and Durant who is 6-9 not 7 foot like ppl keep saying vs Worthy also 6-9 and for ppl who didn't see him he's like a mix between a bigger Sean Marion in the open court and had the midrange game of a rip Hamilton in the half court plus a post game so that's a more level matchup than ppl think plus the Lakers played at just as fast a pace if not faster some years depending on which coach you choose
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:36 pm to Madking
Durant is 7 foot. 6'11" at minimum.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:43 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Yes and Magic was a liability in defense he was good in passing lanes and getting steals (over 3 a game in his prime) but as a man to man defender he's not that good, probly him on Klay is your best bet with Scott and Cooper rotating on Steph. Besides AC green and Cooper those Laker teams weren't great on D because physicality was more of a premium back then but against these Warriors they're actually a little better suited. I don't think Worthy could stop Durant either I'm just saying he'd be a tough guard for Durant because of the way he scored and would cancel out some of Durants scoring is guess an 8 to 10 point advantage for Durant though something like 30 to 20/22 pts but they more than make that up with Kareem. Like I said I'm not favoring the Lakers but it's a coin flip type situation.
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:44 pm to theducks
No not even close. He's stands next to Lebron all game and he's not more than an inch taller but he's long 7-6 wingspan that's his advantage his height is always exaggerated just like Magic media ppl always say he was 7 foot but he's shorter than Bird who was 6-9.
This post was edited on 6/6/17 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 6/6/17 at 6:53 pm to AlaTiger
the 2017 warriors have achieved the highest ELO rating in NBA history
beating the 1996 bulls
so both objectively and quantitatively speaking those two are #1 and #2.
beating the 1996 bulls
so both objectively and quantitatively speaking those two are #1 and #2.
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