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re: Take the roid argument out- Did Mark McGwire put up HOF #’s?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:33 am to tucoco
Posted on 3/15/23 at 1:33 am to tucoco
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Well, that's why I made that statement because I feel like they all should get in if McGwire gets in. I think y'all misunderstood my statement in thinking that I was against Bonds, Sosa, Clemens and others getting in. Hell, noo, I'm for them all getting in and they should have been a long time ago. Hell, Pete Rose should have been in a loong time ago. These sport writer geeks wanna punish these great ball players for off the field transgressions when there's more to it than that. They just wanna play judge and jury with these great ball players probably out of jealousy like some people have said, that they weren't born with these great athletic abilities. Lol But peds to me just gives these athletes an edge to stay in better shape longer, not be injured as much, to endure the rigors of the game that a normal human body could not do. It doesn't give you the skill to hit homers or throw fastballs over a 100 miles an hour like these great players were doing before they started taking the peds.
I'm not misunderstanding you at all. I fully 100% agree with everything you just said. I hate the baseball writers, I think they're the biggest self righteous gatekeeping group of people that decide on the HOF of any major sport. All the guys you listed if I had a a vote would be surefire HOFers.
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Posted on 3/15/23 at 2:31 am to Honest Tune
Why would you take the roid argument out? Sounds like a Gen Z argument.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 4:57 am to Honest Tune
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Take the roid argument out- Did Mark McGwire put up HOF #’s?
Yes. When you pretend like he never took PEDs, he definitely has HOF numbers. However, he did take PEDs and it's obvious those drugs aided him in reaching those numbers quite significantly.
McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and all the other PED-using players of the late-90s/early-00s definitely helped save the game of baseball and bring viewership back to the sport. However, it's perfectly understandable why none of them will ever touch the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:27 am to RollTide1987
quote:Its not, their contributions to the game should overwhelm any PED argument. They literally saved Baseball from an NHL situation where they would have had to reinvent the game. They deserve to be in for that.
McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and all the other PED-using players of the late-90s/early-00s definitely helped save the game of baseball and bring viewership back to the sport. However, it's perfectly understandable why none of them will ever touch the Hall of Fame.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:28 am to RemouladeSawce
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This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 5:31 am
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:45 am to RollTide1987
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McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, and all the other PED-using players of the late-90s/early-00s definitely helped save the game of baseball and bring viewership back to the sport. However, it's perfectly understandable why none of them will ever touch the Hall of Fame.
So they were the reason their sport didn't die and the reason people continued to watch during a tumultuous time for the league, but it's perfectly fine to just act like they didn't do such a thing when we're coming up with HOFers, who are supposed to be the guys that tell the story of the sport? Just pretend they didn't happen after all they did which was be the stars of their era?
Cooperstown has giant asterisk on it now when it comes to the modern era because of self righteous baseball writers who for damn sure rode the wave of the hype these guys brought when it was convenient and necessary and then tossed them aside and pretended it didn't happen after the fact when they thought they were home free. And fools like you perpetuate it. Hope that milk you suck out of that pipe tastes great.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:51 am to WaterLink
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So they were the reason their sport didn't die and the reason people continued to watch during a tumultuous time for the league, but it's perfectly fine to just act like they didn't do such a thing when we're coming up with HOFers
Never once did I say that. However, they don't belong in the Hall of Fame just because they brought a slight ratings increase to the sport in the aftermath of the 1994 strike. Of the three athletes mentioned, only Bonds should have warranted consideration due to the fact that he was putting up Hall of Fame numbers in abundance before he started juicing. McGwire and Sosa were aided directly by PEDs.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 5:54 am to Zappas Stache
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Why would you take the roid argument out? Sounds like a Gen Z argument.
The other person went there first. He said roids or not, Mac’s numbers weren’t HOF worthy. Hence the reason I started this thread separately to see other opinions.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 6:55 am to tucoco
Bonds was a good hitter aside from being a HR guy.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 7:32 am to Honest Tune
Yes he has Hall of Fame numbers. And I’d vote for him and everyone else from the Wild West steroid era because everyone from the commissioner down to the fans knew what was going on, unless they had the IQ of a nematode, and consciously and willingly looked the other way.
The only exception is Palmiero who’s still pissing on people’s legs and telling them it’s raining.
The only exception is Palmiero who’s still pissing on people’s legs and telling them it’s raining.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:17 am to RollTide1987
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However, he did take PEDs and it's obvious those drugs aided him in reaching those numbers quite significantly.
The question is "So what?" What makes PEDs a disqualifying thing over other training regimens?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:30 am to Honest Tune
People for get MM hit 57 homers as a wormy arse rookie.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 8:37 am to bamarep
He was well on his way to a HOF career in Oakland until his divorce. Pussy seriously fricked with his head and his play reflected that. Then 92 season he came back jacked with a goatee and mashing scuds. At that point 10 year old me even knew he was juicing and I didn’t care.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:19 am to bamarep
Big Mac has been many things, but he has never been wormy.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:34 am to Tornado Alley
Compared to the jacked up version, yes he was wormy.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 9:46 am to bamarep
He was 6'5", 220 lbs coming out of SC. 
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:16 am to KiwiHead
quote:yes, he was, Bonds was a HOF player period because he was just a natural all around player. He won a many gold gloves for fielding along with his ridiculous hitting. Dude had one of the smoothest strokes for a hitter you'll ever see, maybe only players like Griffey jr, and legends Rod Carew and Ted Williams probably had better swings.
Bonds was a good hitter aside from being a HR guy.
This post was edited on 3/15/23 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/15/23 at 10:46 am to CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
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suspect Rose will get in someday. When he's not alive to enjoy it.
As well as he should be...posthumously. I'm fine with that.
Posted on 3/15/23 at 11:08 am to JodyPlauche
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As well as he should be...posthumously. I'm fine with that.
Why?
Posted on 3/15/23 at 12:37 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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The question is "So what?" What makes PEDs a disqualifying thing over other training regimens?
MLB is being hypocrites about it. They were the only pro sports that didn't test in the 20th century. PEDs go back legitimately as far as Willie Mays, Micky Mantle, and Hank Aaron. And probably beyond. Speed in tablet form and liquid were literally on the training tables and lockers in the '60s'.
MLB forgives Houston of systemic cheating and refuses to make them pay. The commish would refer to the championship trophy as just a hunk of metal to help all of us emotionally realize it's no big deal.
Meanwhile, they still have the greatest hitter in baseball in exile for cheating.
But MLB wants to make these PED guys pay for their own negligence and duplicity for decades. Meanwhile, an NFL star can get a 6 game suspension for testing positive and it's almost immediately forgotten. It will not keep these guys out of their HOF.
MLB is truly the biggest hypocrite in pro sports. No one works at it harder. No one has a worst Commish. The guy has no integrity about himself and his sport. A hunk of metal accurately describes the hunk of crap running this league.
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