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re: So, is it kinda true the SEC was cheating way more than anyone else pre NIL?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:16 pm to SECCaptain
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:16 pm to SECCaptain
People say the same thing about coaches. But coaches crawl to BR. You can’t assume every player if given an opportunity will choose one place over another. Way too many personal variables involved.
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Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:21 pm to lsupride87
Alabama and Georgia cant keep 2nd and 3rd string talent if Michigan/Indiana can pay starter NIL money.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:23 pm to RunningJacket
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I knew the SEC dominance was over when Harbaugh opened a Michigan camp in South Georgia during one summer. In the old days the good ole boys would have shut that down quickly. Instead he walked away with some 4 stars.
That got shut down with a quickness. He landed one dud 5 Star and a couple of three stars:
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:37 pm to LSUChamps03
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LSU's Mulkey to ink $32M deal, richest in women's hoops history
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Kiffin has now officially signed his new deal with LSU and according to Alexander, it’s a seven-year, $91 million contract that will pay him $13 million annually. This makes him the second-highest paid coach in college football behind only Georgia’s Kirby Smart. It’s also a significant raise compared to the $9 million he made at Ole Miss this past season.
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LSU’s Jay Johnson becomes highest-paid college baseball coach
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LSU to pay bonus to Lane Kiffin based on Ole Miss' CFP success
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LSU’s D-D Breaux becomes highest paid gymnastics coach in SEC, second in the nation
Because LSU burns taxpayer and student's tuition money on athletics. Literally no one wants anything to do with Louisiana unless it's for money, did Katrina teach your state nothing?
I get it, LSU's enrollment would plummet without a successful athletics program as it's dependent upon morons attending simply to live vicariously through an athletics department they're not part of/doesn't give a shite about them aside from taking their money, but just how far is LSU willing to go with this?
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:40 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
We all wish our teams had been cheating. As a GT guy I’ve always said we were stupid for not playing the game like others were. By the late 80’s this was no longer a gentlemen’s sport and we should have been cheating to compete instead of pissing away 20 years.
As for better coaches come on with that. Saban was at Mich St and won nothing until he aligned with the bagmen in Tuscaloosa. He played it perfectly but he isn’t some great coach. Look at Cignetti- he didn’t suddenly become a hundred times better coach but he did get a hundred times better player pool and magically won. Gene Chizik won a freaking Natty using the bagman system and no one says he’s a genius coach.
The entire sport’s history is fake because it’s never been a fair sport. I will say Saban is the GOAT of the bagman system. I will say Cignetti is the GOAT portal coach so far. I will say Kiffen is the GOAT of getting AD’s to buy him.
But this new era is wide open for any team willing to pay. Indiana will always be the new marker in college football. The ND era of the mid to 1900’s is long gone. The Bama dynasty is over. The SEC domination is over. The field is now wide open to whoever pays and coaches. I think it’s great for the sport.
As for better coaches come on with that. Saban was at Mich St and won nothing until he aligned with the bagmen in Tuscaloosa. He played it perfectly but he isn’t some great coach. Look at Cignetti- he didn’t suddenly become a hundred times better coach but he did get a hundred times better player pool and magically won. Gene Chizik won a freaking Natty using the bagman system and no one says he’s a genius coach.
The entire sport’s history is fake because it’s never been a fair sport. I will say Saban is the GOAT of the bagman system. I will say Cignetti is the GOAT portal coach so far. I will say Kiffen is the GOAT of getting AD’s to buy him.
But this new era is wide open for any team willing to pay. Indiana will always be the new marker in college football. The ND era of the mid to 1900’s is long gone. The Bama dynasty is over. The SEC domination is over. The field is now wide open to whoever pays and coaches. I think it’s great for the sport.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:56 pm to SECCaptain
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Because LSU burns taxpayer and student's tuition money on athletics. Literally no one wants anything to do with Louisiana unless it's for money, did Katrina teach your state nothing? I get it, LSU's enrollment would plummet without a successful athletics program as it's dependent upon morons attending simply to live vicariously through an athletics department they're not part of/doesn't give a shite about them aside from taking their money, but just how far is LSU willing to go with this?
There is so much wrong with this post I don’t know where to begin.
LSU does not support athletics with taxpayer dollars any more than any other university. LSU football revenue covers all athletics.
And what do you know about no one wanting anything to do with LA unless it involves $? There are plenty of us who live in, live well and have success and happiness in Louisiana.
You have no clue about the motivations others have for attending LSU. It has excellent law, medical, engineering, veterinary programs and is a well-regarded research institution. So maybe it’s not top-10 nationally. Only clowns and those with an axe to grind come to conclusions like yours.
And what’s your point about coaching salaries? It’s true everywhere. It’s called competing for top talent. Coaches aren’t sitting in the AD’s office telling Verge, “Louisiana sucks, so I’m demanding a premium.”
But tell yourself what you need to satisfy your apparent superiority complex.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 3:58 pm to RunningJacket
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You SEC guys who say things like “everyone was paying” and the bagman was is just us “coping” have no clue what you are talking about.
If everyone was paying then schools like Vandy, Arkansas, UNC, GT, Miss St wouldn’t have sucked for years because they would have bought better players. A very few teams were clearly and provably paying - and it worked.
This sounds like coping from a fan of a school that has historically sucked. "We just didn't have the money to keep up when players were being paid thousands under the table, but now that they're being paid millions the SEC can't keep up with us!"
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:10 pm to RunningJacket
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As for better coaches come on with that. Saban was at Mich St and won nothing until he aligned with the bagmen in Tuscaloosa. He played it perfectly but he isn’t some great coach. Look at Cignetti- he didn’t suddenly become a hundred times better coach but he did get a hundred times better player pool and magically won. Gene Chizik won a freaking Natty using the bagman system and no one says he’s a genius coach.
You’re skipping over some things here. Saban did turn Mich St into a good program, he won there and left an 11-2 team when he moved to LSU. Where again he turned a program into a NC in 4 seasons. It wasn’t any big surprise he won at Alabama. He was one of if not the best coach and program builder in college athletics history. To say he isn’t some great coach? Wow.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:18 pm to RunningJacket
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As for better coaches come on with that. Saban was at Mich St and won nothing until he aligned with the bagmen in Tuscaloosa.
He turned Toledo around quick, turned MSU into a 9-2 team, took LSU to a championship but sure, he was an average coach before he got to Tuscaloosa and started buying players.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:22 pm to lsupride87
OSU was already a monster beforehand
UM finally got over the hump with a great coach but immediately regressed when he left
Indiana we’ll have to see if they’re simply an anomaly or on the verge of becoming a yearly contender.
I also can’t say any of those rosters were full of guys that would have been on SEC rosters pre NIL.
I think the portal has just resulted in more parity, last year really felt like most of the teams in the playoffs all had serious flaws. There was no great team
UM finally got over the hump with a great coach but immediately regressed when he left
Indiana we’ll have to see if they’re simply an anomaly or on the verge of becoming a yearly contender.
I also can’t say any of those rosters were full of guys that would have been on SEC rosters pre NIL.
I think the portal has just resulted in more parity, last year really felt like most of the teams in the playoffs all had serious flaws. There was no great team
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:34 pm to lsupride87
When I was involved we and all the other SEC schools kinda had a code amongst thieves. Charger/Camero, apartment and $50k a year was pretty standard. Some got more, some got less.
Hugh Freezus went overboard and got a target put on his back.
But make no mistake, we had it much more well managed than this crap you see now.
A kid had to prove something on the field for an agent to buy them a lambo. Now every kid that’s decent wants first rounder benefits without having done anything on the field.
Hugh Freezus went overboard and got a target put on his back.
But make no mistake, we had it much more well managed than this crap you see now.
A kid had to prove something on the field for an agent to buy them a lambo. Now every kid that’s decent wants first rounder benefits without having done anything on the field.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 4:36 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:37 pm to lsupride87
I think it’s hilarious that some guys are equating a 3 year good run like 20 years of pure dominance that was ran by the SEC. The two aren’t even close to the same.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:37 pm to lsupride87
What a silly response thread.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 4:57 pm to GoGators1995
The one’s coping are Bama fans who know their run is over like ND fans have finally accepted. I know exactly why my team was mid level for decades. And I know exactly why your team won. The entire world knows.
But that era is over. You guys talking about 3 years not meaning anything sound just like my ACC brethren in hoops a decade ago. Well, here we are a decade later and ACC hoops is still mid level. Just like SEC football’s dominance is over. Sure, individual teams can still win a Natty but the days of having 3 out of 4 in the Semi’s are over.
My team has 4 Natties we are proud of and we have more SEC titles than most current SEC teams. I don’t need to cope because I don’t live and die on the scoreboard. We play Tennessee this year. Sure, I want to win and talk trash and beat my chest like any other fan, but if we lose it’s not the end of the world because neither my team nor Tennessee has a legit chance at a Natty.
But that era is over. You guys talking about 3 years not meaning anything sound just like my ACC brethren in hoops a decade ago. Well, here we are a decade later and ACC hoops is still mid level. Just like SEC football’s dominance is over. Sure, individual teams can still win a Natty but the days of having 3 out of 4 in the Semi’s are over.
My team has 4 Natties we are proud of and we have more SEC titles than most current SEC teams. I don’t need to cope because I don’t live and die on the scoreboard. We play Tennessee this year. Sure, I want to win and talk trash and beat my chest like any other fan, but if we lose it’s not the end of the world because neither my team nor Tennessee has a legit chance at a Natty.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 5:00 pm to lsupride87
SEC + Ohio State, USC, Florida State (90s), etc. and a few others.
I think that's an important caveat.
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But us having the best players in our region was also part of it. Now those guys are getting enough SERIOUS money to leave.
I think that's an important caveat.
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But us having the best players in our region was also part of it. Now those guys are getting enough SERIOUS money to leave.
This post was edited on 4/7/26 at 5:01 pm
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:24 pm to SECCaptain
quote:Yeah Miami famously didn't pay any players to go there.
No 18 year old elite athlete is picking Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa or Athens over Miami, FL unless there's serious money involved
LSU, Alabama, and Georgia famously didn't have great coaching staffs that developed players and put them in the league better than anywhere else in the country. Miami is literally only back where they are because they have rich boosters that have got kids to campus. They were dropping bags illegally and still shitting the bed in the 2000s/2010s. They had terrible coaches. Like Texas post Brown. Couldn't do anything, despite paying players a ton under the table. Now they can pay more.
All the big dogs have been paying players for 75 years.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:26 pm to lsupride87
Alabama was the worst one.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:30 pm to SECCaptain
All of those contracts, save Kiffin, came after national championships. It's pretty standard for big time programs to bump their coaches pay when they win a title.
It's a shame the Texas kids, with all that talent, haven't won shite in 20 years. In fact, it wasn't until they could pay kids millions, that they stayed in Texas more often than not.
It's not for everyone, though. Some schools, like Texas, try the same model. They still can't win championships. Maybe they should start taking some of that tuition money and putting it towards the athletic programs, then you won't be such a whiny pussy.
quote:LSU funds athletics pretty much entirely with private money, but good try!
Because LSU burns taxpayer and student's tuition money on athletics
quote:Tell that to the Louisiana kids who stayed and won titles here in multiple sports, and wanted nothing to do with any other state.
Literally no one wants anything to do with Louisiana unless it's for money,
It's a shame the Texas kids, with all that talent, haven't won shite in 20 years. In fact, it wasn't until they could pay kids millions, that they stayed in Texas more often than not.
quote:Yeah people losing their homes and physically not being able to rebuild them means they hated the state. It's odd that there are multiple kids who were raised in Texas but list New Orleans as their home town, considering they all hate the state.
did Katrina teach your state nothing?
quote:Again, LSU does not use any public or student money for athletics. You have no idea what you're talking about.
I get it, LSU's enrollment would plummet without a successful athletics program as it's dependent upon morons attending simply to live vicariously through an athletics department they're not part of/doesn't give a shite about them aside from taking their money, but just how far is LSU willing to go with this?
It's not for everyone, though. Some schools, like Texas, try the same model. They still can't win championships. Maybe they should start taking some of that tuition money and putting it towards the athletic programs, then you won't be such a whiny pussy.
Posted on 4/7/26 at 11:37 pm to BilJ
quote:Yeah, I don't buy the whole "BIG is taking over!" talk.
OSU was already a monster beforehand
UM finally got over the hump with a great coach but immediately regressed when he left
Indiana we’ll have to see if they’re simply an anomaly or on the verge of becoming a yearly contender.
As you said, two historically great programs won titles. Then Indiana brought in an excellent coach and used a tactic that won't be around much longer (old roster) and won a title.
Meanwhile, the top SEC programs of the century, save UGA, were all in reset mode. LSU, UF, and Auburn all fired their coaches. Alabama was trying to replace Saban. Kirby just couldn't find a quarterback.
The SEC, despite not winning a title this year, was the top ranked conference in basketball.
Same goes for the women's side. Best conference, despite not winning it all.
The SEC is the best baseball conference by a pretty wide margin.
The SEC is the best gymnastics conference by a pretty wide margin.
The SEC is the best softball conference by a pretty wide margin.
I know nothing about these sports from a college standpoint, but based off the rankings, the SEC also appears to be the best tennis and golf conferences.
Same goes for track and field.
The SEC fall off is greatly overstated.
Posted on 4/8/26 at 6:07 am to lsupride87
I mean you also need to look where the highest concentrations of athletes reside. They will stay closer to home unless there is a reason (NIL $) to move farther from home.
Were SEC teams were doing shady things? Yeah probably But so were the Big 10 schools. The difference now I believe that since paying players is “legal” the payments are getting MUCH higher and much more spread out among all the players.
Were SEC teams were doing shady things? Yeah probably But so were the Big 10 schools. The difference now I believe that since paying players is “legal” the payments are getting MUCH higher and much more spread out among all the players.
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