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re: So, is it kinda true the SEC was cheating way more than anyone else pre NIL?
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:19 am to The Third Leg
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:19 am to The Third Leg
quote:Penn State kept their elite coaching staff together by hiding a little boy having his arse fricked. For decades.
tOSU took a postseason ban for players trading merch for tats. LSU vacated some wins for players being the beneficiaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars that were stolen from a healthcare fund.
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Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:39 am to ReauxlTide222
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Penn State kept their elite coaching staff together by hiding a little boy having his arse fricked. For decades.
NCAA hit them with institutional control, and then gave them the harshest penalty since SMU—scholarships reduced by 23.5%, players could transfer without restrictions, $60MM in fines and a 4 year bowl ban that was later reduced to 2 after they made progress in reforming their administrative structure to enhance oversight and power levers.
When James Franklin assumed control, they ended that season with 41 scholarship players available to play after redshirts and injuries. Everyone at Penn State was fired, including the university President, and the people who paid the price had absolutely nothing to do with it. At LSU, I’m told vacating wins was fair because all the players and boosters involved were already gone.
This post was edited on 4/9/26 at 9:54 am
Posted on 4/9/26 at 9:44 am to The Third Leg
I'm sure Rashaan Gary went to Michigan for free after Clemson offered him $300k. 
Posted on 4/10/26 at 2:06 am to lsupride87
A Florida Booster in 2012 or 2013 straight up adopted a 20 year old Florida player...fricking nuts.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 8:34 am to KPBuckeye87
And all this is why I say college sports should have no rules other than the rules in the field. If a team wants to have a 32 year old middle linebacker then no problem. If a team wants to have 200 on scholarship then let them. If they want to,pay someone 10 million a year let them.
Because no matter what rules are put in place the same teams who have incredible pressure to win will cheat those rules. It’s simply human nature when pressure to complete a task is present. Most teams wouldn’t do it just like most teams didn’t use the bagman system but that’s only because they are not under the same fanbase pressure to win.
Because no matter what rules are put in place the same teams who have incredible pressure to win will cheat those rules. It’s simply human nature when pressure to complete a task is present. Most teams wouldn’t do it just like most teams didn’t use the bagman system but that’s only because they are not under the same fanbase pressure to win.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:15 am to lsupride87
Better coaches in the big 10 over the past 10 years. Especially below the head coach level. Sec just hires coaches represented by sexton.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:18 am to The Third Leg
quote:I don’t know what your point is.
NCAA hit them with institutional control, and then gave them the harshest penalty since SMU—scholarships reduced by 23.5%, players could transfer without restrictions, $60MM in fines and a 4 year bowl ban that was later reduced to 2 after they made progress in reforming their administrative structure to enhance oversight and power levers.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:28 am to ReauxlTide222
They were severely punished. All of the other big cheaters outside the SEC were. At schools like Auburn and LSU, they get slaps on the wrist because the school fights the NCAA. Except LSUs glorious voluntary covid year self imposed bowl ban.
Lsu was caught red handed in summer 2019 in a scandal involving hundreds of thousands of dollars embezzled to pay players and were allowed to win a national title. It was the very definition of lack of institutional control. Cam newton was caught red handed the same year the NCAA slapped USC with institutional control. Auburn was allowed to play him and win a national championship.
Miami and Ohio state each got real post season bans, Ohio state for players getting free tattoos.
Lsu was caught red handed in summer 2019 in a scandal involving hundreds of thousands of dollars embezzled to pay players and were allowed to win a national title. It was the very definition of lack of institutional control. Cam newton was caught red handed the same year the NCAA slapped USC with institutional control. Auburn was allowed to play him and win a national championship.
Miami and Ohio state each got real post season bans, Ohio state for players getting free tattoos.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 11:44 am to The Third Leg
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They were severely punished.
How many years were they allowing kids to be fricked in the team facilities?
Alabama had to forfeit wins and I think some lost seasons because their RB sold his math textbook.
You’re being ridiculous.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 4:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
You think vacating wins years after the fact matters? Lol
They were fined $60MM, which is enough to cripple a lot of ADs. That’s almost a year’s football budget at the time it happened—$72MM in 2011. They lost a big number of scholarships and had a 4 year bowl ban and all of their players were freed to leave without sitting out. Everyone in any leadership role tied to the AD, including on up to the university president were fired. Bowl ban was reduced to 2 after they proved they cleaned shite up.
SMU is the only program to get it worse in the modern era and the NCAA vowed to never go that far again. Amazing if you think that isn’t severe.
But muh vacated wins. lol.
They were fined $60MM, which is enough to cripple a lot of ADs. That’s almost a year’s football budget at the time it happened—$72MM in 2011. They lost a big number of scholarships and had a 4 year bowl ban and all of their players were freed to leave without sitting out. Everyone in any leadership role tied to the AD, including on up to the university president were fired. Bowl ban was reduced to 2 after they proved they cleaned shite up.
SMU is the only program to get it worse in the modern era and the NCAA vowed to never go that far again. Amazing if you think that isn’t severe.
But muh vacated wins. lol.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:01 pm to The Third Leg
quote:Quit lying. The hospital executive gave $180K to one kid's family.
LSU vacated some wins for players being the beneficiaries of hundreds of thousands of dollars that were stolen from a healthcare fund.
You keep acting like an embezzler is a worse person than the Ohio State tattoo parlor owner who was selling drugs, the Michigan auto union guy who ran illegal gambling houses, or the Miami Ponzi scheme guy. They all gave dirty money to players.
The point of my post was that those were all situations where college athletes were caught taking money because the boosters that gave it to them were all caught doing something illegal. In each case, when the government wanted the criminal to pay back what they stole, or made in some kind of illegal manner, they couldn't pay it back because they gave the money to the college athletes. I was simply pointing out how most NCAA violations come to light during similar criminal, or in the Reggie Bush situation, civil, hearings. Otherwise, nobody would have gotten caught.
You asked for more examples where illegal payments were going on. People have given several, Some are from your conference, but you don't want to hear about it.
quote:Ohio State has had a pipeline to Florida for years. Urban Meyer and Ryan Day have cherry picked athletes from Texas with regularity.
Those states are recruiting hotbeds and their rosters were traditionally loaded with in state talent. Especially tOSU
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:27 pm to chinese58
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The hospital executive gave $180K to one kid's family.
Lol. That’s one way to put it. Another way is that he stole half a million in money raised for a hospital and paid multiple LSU players with it indirectly by sending it to multiple family members. And it was more than $180k.
“A Louisiana man who pleaded guilty to embezzling more than $500,000 from a hospital foundation and giving some of the stolen money to the parents of two former LSU football players was sentenced to federal prison Thursday.
Federal prosecutors alleged Funes defrauded the foundation, which raised money for Our Lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center, from 2012 to September 2018 by submitting bogus payment authorization vouchers and check requests, including checks to himself.
Prosecutors alleged Funes approved payments of approximately $180,000 to an individual identified as "Individual C" in the bill of information.
Sources told ESPN that "Individual C" is the father of former LSU offensive lineman Vadal Alexander, who was a four-year starter for the Tigers from 2012 to 2015. His father, James Alexander, is a self-employed entrepreneur in Atlanta.
The checks to "Individual A" and "Individual B" totaled about $107,000, according to the bill of information.
Former LSU quarterback Rohan Davey confirmed to the Baton Rouge Business Report in June that his mother and sister are "Individual A" and "Individual B"”
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You keep acting like an embezzler is a worse person than the Ohio State tattoo parlor owner who was selling drugs, the Michigan auto union guy who ran illegal gambling houses, or the Miami Ponzi scheme guy. They all gave dirty money to players.
Well Ohio state players weren’t involved with drugs, just free tats, and both Ohio state and Miami received post season bans. LSU did not.
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Ohio State has had a pipeline to Florida for years. Urban Meyer and Ryan Day have cherry picked athletes from Texas with regularity.
Sure. They get players from everywhere, but for generations, the program was built on Ohio kids. It’s one of the biggest talent beds in the country and every big ten school recruits the shite out it, including Michigan.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:38 pm to chinese58
At the end of the day in 2026 none of the past matters. My team, GT, won Natties in the old days by bringing in older ringers during WWI under the “engineering” exemption - the first Natty won by a southern team (1917). Then you had teams win Natties with black players before everyone integrated. Then the perks started up which led to the bag man. The bag man has now led to NIL.
I give the SEC credit for using the system over the past 30 years to win a lot of titles by a lot of teams. It sucked for those of us whose schools wouldn’t use the system but life went in. Now we are in an era where smart coaches and smart NIL negotiating is king and the BIG is dominating. 3 straight can’t be argued.
I expect 2026 to be more of the same. I don’t know the teams because none of us know which coaches will get their transfers integrated in the quickest. I expect Ohio St to be the leader in the clubhouse. I also believe Cignetti is in the mix. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see Michigan win a lot of games. From the SEC I see 1 team with a legit shot and that’s UGA. No one else has a proven defense. I give Texas a shot with Manning who started looking good. ACC is Miami or bust but I do expect a couple of other ACC teams to have great years but the committee has shown they will screw us because Phillips is a joke of a commissioner. I have no clue about any team in the Big 12. And ND will win a lot of games just because they are a good, not great team.
I give the SEC credit for using the system over the past 30 years to win a lot of titles by a lot of teams. It sucked for those of us whose schools wouldn’t use the system but life went in. Now we are in an era where smart coaches and smart NIL negotiating is king and the BIG is dominating. 3 straight can’t be argued.
I expect 2026 to be more of the same. I don’t know the teams because none of us know which coaches will get their transfers integrated in the quickest. I expect Ohio St to be the leader in the clubhouse. I also believe Cignetti is in the mix. I also wouldn’t be shocked to see Michigan win a lot of games. From the SEC I see 1 team with a legit shot and that’s UGA. No one else has a proven defense. I give Texas a shot with Manning who started looking good. ACC is Miami or bust but I do expect a couple of other ACC teams to have great years but the committee has shown they will screw us because Phillips is a joke of a commissioner. I have no clue about any team in the Big 12. And ND will win a lot of games just because they are a good, not great team.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 5:46 pm to Ssubba
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I would say there is some truth to that. More likely reason, the best players (south) just stayed home until the money was too good.
There was an episode that I think Cowherd put it together once in his life. The great players are in the south. They do not want to go to the midwest. Nobody great wants to go to Columbus, OH. Nebraska, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc.
This was around 2010ish. He was right. One of the only times he was right.
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:33 pm to theballguy
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There was an episode that I think Cowherd put it together once in his life. The great players are in the south. They do not want to go to the midwest. Nobody great wants to go to Columbus, OH. Nebraska, Michigan, Pennsylvania, etc. This was around 2010ish. He was right. One of the only times he was right.
Collin Cowherd is a moron. Big Ten college towns and campuses are beautiful, often idyllic places to spend a few years. Very clean, very safe, and full of hot young women.
Players from Florida and Texas and California have always gone to these schools, just not in the volume they do now in pay for play. The fact of the matter is that before the portal and NIL, it was a big deal to go to a program far from home, so most kids stayed within 500 miles (a days drive) from home.
This post was edited on 4/10/26 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 4/10/26 at 7:39 pm to SirWinston
Anyone who believes Saban wasn't paying players is either deliberately obtuse or just plain stupid.
No coincidence that UGA all of sudden became a contender once Kirby took over. He learned from the best how to get the money to players. Saban knew he couldn't rat Kirby out without Kirby blowing the whistle on Saban.
Saban got out soon after NIL became a thing, because he no longer had his advantage over everyone else.
No coincidence that UGA all of sudden became a contender once Kirby took over. He learned from the best how to get the money to players. Saban knew he couldn't rat Kirby out without Kirby blowing the whistle on Saban.
Saban got out soon after NIL became a thing, because he no longer had his advantage over everyone else.
Posted on 4/11/26 at 9:25 am to lsupride87
I’m a big 10 guy. They’ve pulled slightly ahead.
But there will be epicycles to this stuff. Top dawgs in the SEC are equally motivated. I think this fuels em and they do some catchin up.
Titles will be swapped between these top 2 conferences. They’re both rich AF
But there will be epicycles to this stuff. Top dawgs in the SEC are equally motivated. I think this fuels em and they do some catchin up.
Titles will be swapped between these top 2 conferences. They’re both rich AF
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 9:25 am
Posted on 4/11/26 at 9:31 am to lsupride87
The portal and NIL has encouraged the depth of the SEC rosters to go elsewhere.
Also with the open market and not having to hide the money they have to devote more resources to keep their top guys and cant afford to match what other schools are willing to pay the guys that would be sitting on Bamas 3 deep.
When they were paying the top guys 100s of Ks they could afford to drop tens of thousands of dollars on the bench guys as well. Now that they need to spend millions on the top guys they cant also spend 100s of Ks on a 4th stringer like another school can pay them to start.
Also with the open market and not having to hide the money they have to devote more resources to keep their top guys and cant afford to match what other schools are willing to pay the guys that would be sitting on Bamas 3 deep.
When they were paying the top guys 100s of Ks they could afford to drop tens of thousands of dollars on the bench guys as well. Now that they need to spend millions on the top guys they cant also spend 100s of Ks on a 4th stringer like another school can pay them to start.
This post was edited on 4/11/26 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 4/11/26 at 11:46 am to sgallo3
Gallo, absolutely true and the effect which is why the SEC should have going after the portal the past 5 years instead of worrying about NIL. But for some reason they let the portal genie become a thing and no one is putting the transfer genie back in the bottle because the courts won’t allow it. The only way to handle it is for schools to refuse to take a transfer - but we know that would never happen because the minute a high level player comes up with his “excuse/exemption” because grandma has cancer or whatever you’ll schools lining up to take him. It’s a suckers game and the courts will always side with the players - as they should. Regular students transfer all the time. If someone is dumb enough to hand a kid a million bucks that’s on them.
Posted on 4/12/26 at 10:13 am to The Third Leg
I think we're saying the same thing really.
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