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re: Rumors of the Big Ten courting Oklahoma and Texas
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:30 am to xiv
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:30 am to xiv
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P5 conferences will successfully petition the ncaa to eliminate the divisional round robin rule, allowing them to expand beyond 14 and still have their championship games without sacrificing rivalries.
I know the NCAA requires a conference to have at least 12 teams to be able to split into divisions. But would the NCAA rules allow a larger conference to not do divisions and just take the top 2 teams for their conference title game, like the Big 12 does now?
Say if the Big Ten were to add Texas, Oklahoma, OK State, and Iowa State...they'd be at 18 teams. Doesn't seem to be a decent way to make scheduling work if you have to play a round robin within your own division because then you'd only play teams from the other division once every 9 years or so. But without divisions, they could keep 1 annual rivalry and play 8 other teams one year and the 8 other teams the following year.
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Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:31 am to CGSC Lobotomy
I think...the Big 10 should change its name. I mean they would round to 20 at that point.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:31 am to xiv
No way the acc passes on a program like West Virginia.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 8:52 am to CGSC Lobotomy
ou IS a big 10 team, and the most natural fit. Ou & Missouri should both be in big 10. I just don’t see tu playing big 10 football. Would like to see them out west in the pac whatever.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 9:03 am to Tiger Prawn
quote:Depends on the conference and its historical structure. Most schools in this hypothetical Pac-20 have more than one must-have rivalry. The four California schools have all played each other every year for 80 years now; the four Texas schools would play each other, and there’s the State Fair game.
But without divisions, they could keep 1 annual rivalry and play 8 other teams one year and the 8 other teams the following year.
If the SEC expanded again, you’d still have most SEC schools with three or four untouchable rivalries; I think you’d see an eight-team schedule, four permanent rivalries, and four rotating spots, which means the SEC could expand to up to 21 and still have any given senior class graduate having played every school at least once.
quote:Can’t see why not.
But would the NCAA rules allow a larger conference to not do divisions and just take the top 2 teams for their conference title game, like the Big 12 does now?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:25 am to xiv
ESPN radio here in Columbus was talking about this subject today, they said that there are even discussions about possibly even going to 20 teams. Adding Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas, Iowa St........and Notre Dame. They were saying that ND could be on board if something like that were to happen.
I would prefer just adding Texas and Oklahoma, but clearly the conversations are already being had. If you are the Texas Tech and Baylor’s of the world...I would be starting to get nervous that P5 irrelevancy is a few year away.
I would prefer just adding Texas and Oklahoma, but clearly the conversations are already being had. If you are the Texas Tech and Baylor’s of the world...I would be starting to get nervous that P5 irrelevancy is a few year away.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:28 am to Buckeye Backer
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If you are the Texas Tech and Baylor’s of the world...I would be starting to get nervous that P5 irrelevancy is a few year away.
would LOVE if baylor, or tech, happened to be the last ones standing in the conference realignment game of musical chairs.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:47 am to Buckeye Backer
It’s gonna happen, and it’s even somewhat likely that the major bowls become their own four team tournaments beneath the separate playoff.
Here’s what I mean: CFP begins holding its semifinals at home sites. A separate four-team Tournament of Roses pits each of a Big Ten/Twenty and PAC-12/20 selection at home vs an at-large opponent, with the two winners meeting at the Rose Bowl. Tournament of Sugar pits an SEC selection at home against an at-large opponent and two at-large selections playing the other semifinal. Tournament of Oranges...ACC+three at-larges. Other bowls, other tie-ins...
Here’s what I mean: CFP begins holding its semifinals at home sites. A separate four-team Tournament of Roses pits each of a Big Ten/Twenty and PAC-12/20 selection at home vs an at-large opponent, with the two winners meeting at the Rose Bowl. Tournament of Sugar pits an SEC selection at home against an at-large opponent and two at-large selections playing the other semifinal. Tournament of Oranges...ACC+three at-larges. Other bowls, other tie-ins...
This post was edited on 12/7/18 at 10:48 am
Posted on 12/7/18 at 10:51 am to PhilipMarlowe
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would LOVE if baylor, or tech, happened to be the last ones standing in the conference realignment game of musical chairs.
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As an A&M fan I cant wait for all of this to go down. A&M and UT are obvious locks to at least having a seat at the table, but UT will have to deal with the children and watching the children throw everything at the wall towards UT will be incredibly entertaining
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:08 am to WestCoastAg
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CGSC Lobotomy
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Makes sense
In what world does it make sense?
Here we are again with little brother, Big12 resentment from Texas A&M...seriously, get over that shite.
You're in the SEC now...
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:10 am to MisslePig
Wait what
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:14 am to CGSC Lobotomy
My primary thought is if we are going to stay at 4 teams (which I'm fine with) we need some way to get it right and consistent across the board. Perhaps this kills the Big 12 and gets us to 4 16 team conferences. Then you get rid of the committee and take the 4 champs. Change the playoffs from "best" 4 teams to the "best" team from each region.
I don't think it's the best way to do this, but if you keep regional "title" games or semi-finals finals, then the top teams in each conference have their chance to make the final 4.
I think there just needs to be a massive reconstruction to determine how you would do this. It's a cluster
I don't think it's the best way to do this, but if you keep regional "title" games or semi-finals finals, then the top teams in each conference have their chance to make the final 4.
I think there just needs to be a massive reconstruction to determine how you would do this. It's a cluster
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:15 am to CGSC Lobotomy
They going to have an 18 team league?
Why would Ou and Texas go to a conference that just got left out the Playoff for a second year?
Why would Ou and Texas go to a conference that just got left out the Playoff for a second year?
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:17 am to Buckeye Backer
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I would prefer just adding Texas and Oklahoma
As an Ohio State fan, you really wanna go that route?
Just be another team in the Conference you helped build?
You want Texas and Oklahoma to make you an also-ran?
Because the Big10 is going to pimp the shite out of the new arrival like crazy...and the Network is going to Texas.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:27 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
It was said on page 1, but I think it's important to reiterate. I don't think that Oklahoma can leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma St along. I think it's a law or something, seriously. Which would basically negate this rumor completely.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:29 am to SammyTiger
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Why would Ou and Texas go to a conference that just got left out the Playoff for a second year?
Because it's a better conference?
If the B10 adds Oklahoma and Texas, there is NO question that it would be the strongest conference. Absolutely none. You would have multiple great teams in each division, unlike the SEC.
I don't think this happens any time soon, but I'd be ready to pack my bags this offseason.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:32 am to Chucktown_Badger
quote:I didn’t wanna say anything and spoil the fun, but yeah, OU comes as part of a package deal.
I don't think that Oklahoma can leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma St along. I think it's a law or something, seriously. Which would basically negate this rumor completely.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:32 am to Chucktown_Badger
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It was said on page 1, but I think it's important to reiterate. I don't think that Oklahoma can leave the Big 12 without taking Oklahoma St along. I think it's a law or something, seriously. Which would basically negate this rumor completely.
This is nonsense.
Posted on 12/7/18 at 11:40 am to theOG
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This is nonsense.
I just did some additional research. You are correct.
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The Educational systems do not go to or answer to the Oklahoma State Senate or State Congress. The only control the legislature has is funding and budget approvals as submitted by the Governor from the Board of Regents.
So, the only LEGAL tie the 2 schools have is through the Governor. That’s it…no more, no less. The Governor would have to decide if one school left for an athletic conference and left the other behind if that was beneficial to the state and to the citizens…that’s it. I would think it would be a hard decision for a Governor to veto something that was approved and deliberated over by a Board that he/she appointed to do that very job.
So, where is OU and OSU tied? It’s more culturally and family ties than anything else. OU’s President David Boren while Governor established OSU’s fine veterinary school, which is still named after him. OSU’s President Burns Hargis got his law degree from OU. Mrs. Molly Boren also went to school at OSU.
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