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re: Pocket passer are a thing of the past.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 10:51 am to Lester Earl
Posted on 1/21/25 at 10:51 am to Lester Earl
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I mean you do realize Nussmeier is only like Mac Jones on this list, huh? All these other QBs had some degree of mobility running/scrambling with the football.
Do you realize the 2 top rated QB's in the 2025 NFL draft have a combined 279 rushing yards in the entire college careers?
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Posted on 1/21/25 at 10:52 am to Chalkywhite84
quote:Yep. Something isn't adding up.
They just develop players. I'm starting to believe the rumors about Brad Davis are true.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:03 am to LSU82BILL
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Do you realize the 2 top rated QB's in the 2025 NFL draft have a combined 279 rushing yards in the entire college careers?
The NFL is not College Football. Offenses and the way the game is played is drastically different.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:31 am to lsufball19
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Leonard is a below average QB in general. His inability to throw the football at a high level is why their offense relies on trying to slow down the game and limit possessions.
This is a ridiculous statement of repeating a mantra you read. Leonard is going to shoot up the draft board when the NFL teams start seeing him in person. He has good accuracy but his % is low because in their run offense, he mostly throws when it's a must throw situation. He puts the ball into really tight coverage well.
Leonard has big size, incredible pocket presence, ability to move and extend plays. He will be Franchise QB in the NFL. He will be some teams steal of the draft.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:32 am to lsufball19
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What do you think Michigan and Georgia had the last 3 years? Or Alabama had in 2020? What do you think Burrow was? Or Trevor Lawrence? Or Tua?
All 3 of those guys could beat teams from the pocket yes, but also all 3 could move their feet get set again and throw as well and pick up a 1st down with their feet when needed.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:36 am to Ebridg3
No, they're not. In the right offense that is physical and can run the ball reliably, pocket passers can thrive off of play action especially if they can go through their progressions quickly and be accurate.
In some systems, like Kelly's, it is more difficult because we don't have a reliable run game. Daniels made Denbrock look good because he bailed us out of bad play calls and plays that were not going to work.
In some systems, like Kelly's, it is more difficult because we don't have a reliable run game. Daniels made Denbrock look good because he bailed us out of bad play calls and plays that were not going to work.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:39 am to moneyg
Thankfully you are not the coach
Posted on 1/21/25 at 11:56 am to nicholastiger
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Thankfully you are not the coach
Wait. You are saying Riley Leonard is a pocket passer?
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:05 pm to Ebridg3
You’re getting downvoted, but you aren’t wrong.
Just look at the NFL:
Who is remaining as the top 4 teams?
Kansas City - Mahomes can run
Buffalo- Allen can run
Washington - We all know JD can run
Philly - Jalen Hurts can run
The game has changed. A QB who has a great, accurate arm and who can run is far more valuable than a pocket passing QB only.
Just look at the NFL:
Who is remaining as the top 4 teams?
Kansas City - Mahomes can run
Buffalo- Allen can run
Washington - We all know JD can run
Philly - Jalen Hurts can run
The game has changed. A QB who has a great, accurate arm and who can run is far more valuable than a pocket passing QB only.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:05 pm to Salmon
It’s not a straw man though. If you’re looking at these posts you’ll see there’s no definition for the pocket passer or duel threat QBs so they’re all lumped into to 2 nondescript and incorrect categories which is the point.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:06 pm to Ebridg3
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Pocket passer are a thing of the past.
Just a trend. It will swing back at some point. One constant is that the game always changes and will change again. When, no one knows but it will, it always does.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:10 pm to bayoujd
Not only that but the rules allow for more QBs to use their mobility when in the past it simply wasn’t worth the risk to do it regularly. QBs have always been mostly mobile and good athletes but you’re not going to risk losing one when defenders were allowed to hit the QB. You see younger fans assuming that every QB who mostly plays from the pocket is Dan Marino or Drew Bledsoe when the truth is QBs like those represent an extremely tiny % of all QBs who’ve ever played the game. It’s effectively a category that has no membership.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:14 pm to Ebridg3
Strong armed QBs who could stand in the pocket and throw it 50 times a game used to be all the rage.
I miss the good ole days of 5 yrs ago.
I miss the good ole days of 5 yrs ago.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:19 pm to Basura Blanco
Tebow made the running QB viable again. This is almost a 20year trend at this point.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:21 pm to Ponchy Tiger
It’s already happening. West Coast offenses have been talking over the spread stuff for the last couple seasons. Defenses have gotten smaller so it’s only logical that the pendulum would swing back to running the ball more. Rushing yards per game in the NFL reached a decade high this season and you had 2 legitimate MVP candidates who were RBs this year.
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:30 pm to Ebridg3
Funny. There will always be a place for a Peyton Manning or Dan Marino.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:39 pm to Ebridg3
you have it wrong imv. coaching is better, and more athletic guys are learning proper pocket fundamentals and passing mechanics at a younger age. offenses have also changed, so you dont see these athletes pigeon holed as a receiver, DB or RB anymore early in their HS careers. They are staying at qb and developing to run these new offenses.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:55 pm to Ebridg3
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All of those QBs are mobile.
Literally all of them.
Mac Jones, Tua and Joe Burrow are "mobile" qb's!?
Mac Jones about blew out his knee trying to slide in the NC game.
By no reasonable definition are any of those guys mobile.
Posted on 1/21/25 at 12:58 pm to fwtex
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He has good accuracy but his % is low because in their run offense, he mostly throws when it's a must throw situation.
He had the same issues at Duke. He's just not a consistent thrower of the football.
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Leonard is going to shoot up the draft board when the NFL teams start seeing him in person
He doesn't have the arm talent to shoot up a draft board at the combine. He'll be a day 3 pick at best
quote:Leonard, at his best, will be a career backup, which isn't a terrible place to be. It pays well
Leonard has big size, incredible pocket presence, ability to move and extend plays. He will be Franchise QB in the NFL. He will be some teams steal of the draft.
He's a scrappy and tough player, I'll give him that
This post was edited on 1/21/25 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 1/21/25 at 1:05 pm to Ebridg3
Yikes.
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