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PGA players usually peaked aged 30-40

Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:23 pm
Posted by JamalMurry27
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 12:23 pm
thats what i always heard growing up and maybe its still right but it seems now some of the guys peak at about 23. i was watching old rory footage at age 22 and with the 2011 us open he was so dominant. Its crazy to see cause it looks like a little boy out there playing. Spieth was great when he was young...im sure there are several others. Is this really not a recent pheomenon or is it and what caused it? My guess is with the media now when they are 20 years old they dont know to feel the same pressure that they do 10-15 years later and that just extra little bit of stress is the difference and winning and losing.
Posted by Rendevoustavern
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:13 pm to
Not every player has the same drive and determination for greatness as Tiger. The guys are coming out early, making significant sums of money by 26-29, and becoming rather famous. They don’t need to push hard anymore outside of majors. They need to do just enough every year and most do. Jordan had a pretty significant slump and has regained form, to an extent. JT had a similar slump. Rickie has been the most obvious but his recent comeback is admirable.
All of these guys are worth north of $50m, Rory likely 200-250
Posted by bamameister
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 1:47 pm to
Most of them look like they forget how to putt it. They otherwise look the same. I think these guys are getting in their own heads and suddenly those 5-foot and in putts look and feel like the Grand Canyon. The longer it seems to go on the worst it seems to affect the rest of their game.

Let's call this the Charles Barkley Syndrome.

By the way, Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus never caught this disease.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 2:30 pm to
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just extra little bit of stress is the difference and winning and losing.


This is it, and it’s not just the added stress of more scrutiny. I was watching the final round of the U.S. Open Sunday with someone who doesn’t really follow golf. I was trying to explain to her how Rickie basically had no chance. He was giving up too many yard off the tee, was using a putter he had just started using this year, and hadn’t been in the thick of a final round major in 6-7 years and his nerves weren’t gonna be able to hold up at 34 like they might have at 28, and that pressure eventually exposes your weaknesses. I’ve never understood it, but the phenomena of not being able to putt under pressure after 30 is real for most mortals. You’d think that’s the one skill that you could manage with age—or even get better at—but only the all-timers seem be able to handle it.

Guys are much longer now, so they’ll be able to compete at an older age, and we’ll see more older major winners than anytime in history, but running off a bunch in a short span like Rory, Speith, and Brooks still seems like it will still have to be done in their 20s. Those guys may sprinkle in a couple after 30, but it will be over a much longer span, and according to just about every analyst I’ve ever heard talk about it, it’s a direct result of not being able to control their nerves standing over Sunday putts like they were able to in their 20s. Again, it seems counterintuitive, but for whatever reason, it’s real.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 2:31 pm
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 2:47 pm to
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By the way, Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus never caught this disease.


Nah, they still did. They were just so much better than everyone else—especially Jack, who played against much, much less talented fields. Of his 18, he won 2 at 35, 4 at older than that, but his 1st 12 were all won in his 20s and early 30s. He was just so damn much better than everybody else that he gave himself more chances later and was able to close. So since he was the best 1 or 2 golfers to ever swing a club and obviously was able to control his nerves as well as anybody in history, let’s move his magic putting “wall” to 35 instead of 30. 14 of his 18 majors were lumped in a 13-year span between the ages of 22 and 35. And he sprinkled in 4 more the next 11.

And Tiger won 10 of his 15 by age 30, and only 1 after age 35. Granted, he was dealing with a bunch of other shite besides putting under pressure, he still had plenty of chances to win in the 11-year gap he went without a major. Again, I don’t understand it, but it’s real.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 2:53 pm
Posted by MoarKilometers
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:00 pm to
David Duval downvoted you
Posted by Strannix
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 7:03 pm to
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Jack, who played against much, much less talented fields


Thats absolute bullshite too, he won majors with players in contention from Ben Hogan to Greg Norman. Piles and piles of fricking players.
This post was edited on 6/24/23 at 8:16 pm
Posted by SammyTiger
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 10:19 pm to
somewhere in that decade wide window?
Posted by tzimme4
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Posted on 6/24/23 at 10:21 pm to
The guys leading this weekend's tournament are 37 and 41 years old
Posted by ReauxlTide222
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:50 am to
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By the way, Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus never caught this disease.
Tiger literally couldn’t chip a golf ball

Tf are you taking about?
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:49 am to
Jack peaked at 46
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 9:55 am to
1. no one peaks at 36 to 40.

2. Speith and Rory both had difficult relationships after their initial peak.
heart break in otherwise successful lives.
happened to a Lake Charles friend of mine. wife left him. he never found himself again.

Posted by CelticDog
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:02 am to
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Jack peaked at 46


no sir.
one last great showing is not a peak. his peak was when he was one of a few players who won every week and he was the best more often than not.
it lasted 15 years.
This post was edited on 6/25/23 at 10:03 am
Posted by SoFla Tideroller
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 10:11 am to
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especially Jack, who played against much, much less talented fields.


Posted by dsides
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 11:26 am to
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By the way, Tiger Woods and Jack Nicklaus never caught this disease.


Tiger’s game suffered after his divorce. He actually had the chipping yips temporarily.

Either way, players are coming out of junior and college golf way more ready to play competitive golf at the highest level. Way more options today to play in big amateur events.

Plus, Tiger provided a blueprint for the level of hard work and preparation required to win.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 5:01 pm to
Won multiple majors after 40
Posted by Reubaltaich
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Posted on 6/25/23 at 8:01 pm to
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especially Jack, who played against much, much less talented fields.




Really? The only real completion TW had was Phil Mikelson.

Phil screwed himself out of 4-5 majors by being ultra-aggressive when he should have laid up and played conservative.

Not saying that TWs is not one of the all-time greats in golf.

Jack played against and won against some of the best players in golf of all time.

Palmer, Johnny Miller, Tom Watson, Tom Wieskoff, Lee Trevino, Gary Player, Raymond Floyd, Billy Casper, Greg Norman...

JN had 19 runners up in the Majors. 5 of those were in playoffs.

Numerous top 5 finishes, and lots of top 10 finishes.

I don't really get the TWs worship by some.

Posted by Themicah86
Member since Jun 2023
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 5:52 am to
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no one peaks at 36 to 40.


Bubba Watson had to be close to this age range when he went on a run 10 or so years ago. He certainly wasn't 22
Posted by go ta hell ole miss
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:16 am to
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1. no one peaks at 36 to 40.


Ben Hogan won six of his nine majors in that timeframe (he won two at age 35). . Phil didn’t win a major until age 34. O’Meara was actually older than 40 when he peaked. Steve Stricker certainly peaked at age 40 and thrived after that. Vijay won his first major at 35 and had one of the greatest seasons in PGA history at age 41 (winning 9 times). Miguel Angel Jimenez peaked after age 40 winning 13 times after that age. Stewart Cink won two majors at age 47, his peak year.

To the OP, some of the newer players began playing at a young age. When they get money and married they drop off. It takes a few years before they get back to normal after being married. Rory, Rickie, Brooks, JT now, and Spieth are all examples of young players struggling after getting married.
Posted by threeputt
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Posted on 6/26/23 at 8:32 am to
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PGA players usually peaked aged 30-40


That used to be the case. Analytics has changed that. Guys don’t need 10-12 years on the tour to “learn” how to play anymore.
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