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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:43 pm to genro
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:43 pm to genro
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Damn it's sounding like the NCAA is gonna strip them down so badly and hold them hostage for so much that they would actually, literally, prefer the death penalty.
It's difficult to see the historic gravity of this situation, but this is really earth shattering. They want to compare the "importance" of football to the atrocities that occurred there. The 2 can't be separated. PSU cannot play football unless they want everybody to think of child rape complicity and cover up on an institutional level. I don't think there is any other way for the institution to try to heal. The institution is bigger then football.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:43 pm to RollTide1987
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Biggest rumors right now is a 5-year bowl ban, loss of 60 scholarships over 5 years, all revenue from the B1G has to go to charity, no non-conference games for 2013 and 2014, and no home games can be played in 2013.
damn. now that's severe. i also heard there may be a 30-60 mil. fine (altho i don't believe this). the above will pretty much bankrupt the athletic dept, i would think.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:43 pm to genro
whatever penalties get handed down, half the idiots on this board won't be satisfied 
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:44 pm to TDawg1313
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Here's an interesting thread on a Penn State board. Someone asks if they should just leave the Big 10 and drop football altogether and pretty much everyone agrees that it would be a good idea. LINK
Sadly the responses there are basically to drop them not because of the widespread issues but as a frick you to the NCAA.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:44 pm to Srbtiger06
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A severe financial loss isn't incentive?
Not enough, IMO.
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Well that isn't the fault of the player that was born 4 years too late.
The players aren't really that punished, man. They still get to play football, showcase their abilities, and get their educational costs covered.
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don't see much reason to punish current players. The only real 'punishment' towards the actual offenders is that they'll be vilified. Big deal
For the 100th time, the players aren't really that punished. It's the entire program that is punished, loss of schollys usually, put on probation and post season play ban. And if the coaches and players are still at the university, the coach can get fired and the player can lose his scholarship and booted from the team.
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Except we never ran laps for a guy dogging it 5 years prior.
But you understand the concept.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:45 pm to Bunk Moreland
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Sorry if already posted. Wetzel paints a picture of Emmert as a guy who has been eagerly awaiting the chance to flex his nuts on someone or something.
People complain that the NCAA drags their feet and then people complain that they're not doing their due diligence. He didn't just tell everyone he was going to do it, he got approval from his board to basically skip the traditional process and expedite it for this situation.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:47 pm to TDawg1313
Emmert is the Roger Goodell of the NCAA
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:48 pm to tigerpimpbot
quote:Oh I'm with you. There's a problem at Penn State (and on this damn thread) of people not grasping how far-reaching the "culture of concealment" is. So many people don't recognize the gravity or the enormity of the situation. Football doesn't matter anymore.
tigerpimpbot
I just couldn't think of anything worse than the death penalty but by God it looks like they've found it.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:48 pm to OWLFAN86
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Emmert is the Roger Goodell of the NCAA
I wonder if sandusky paid bounties for players snagging him some young rape victims. Now that would be a scandal. (facetious)
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:49 pm to LSU GrandDad
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Biggest rumors right now is a 5-year bowl ban, loss of 60 scholarships over 5 years, all revenue from the B1G has to go to charity, no non-conference games for 2013 and 2014, and no home games can be played in 2013.
Holy. frick.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:51 pm to KosmoCramer
At that point, PSU might as well fold up the athletic department and focus those resources on the rest of the school
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:52 pm to TDawg1313
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Here's an interesting thread on a Penn State board. Someone asks if they should just leave the Big 10 and drop football altogether and pretty much everyone agrees that it would be a good idea
i actually think this is a good idea. accept the ncaa penalties then announce they are doing what tulane did some years back with their basketball team. disbanded it. in other words, take a self imposed death penalty for awhile. it might help them in the long run by being viewed as "taking the high road at last". the good guys are falling on the sword because of the bad guys, etc. then maybe the alumni will rally and support the non football sports w/o football revenue, penn state can move on and a few yrs down the road, start football again. this might actually be the quickest road to recovery.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:52 pm to genro
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Oh I'm with you. There's a problem at Penn State (and on this damn thread) of people not grasping how far-reaching the "culture of concealment" is. So many people don't recognize the gravity or the enormity of the situation. Football doesn't matter anymore.
I just couldn't think of anything worse than the death penalty but by God it looks like they've found it.
Penn St is an easy target for the NCAA right now. Hopefully we will never see anything like this again, but this will not soon be forgotten. The winningest coach in NCAA D1 history actively and knowingly covering up for a child rapist. It's one of the all-time historic modern tragedies.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:58 pm to tigerpimpbot
For some reason, ACC coaches decided to issue a joint statement:
espn
espn
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"The situation at Penn State is a tragedy from all angles, most specifically for the victims. It's our responsibility to represent the institutions we serve, while always being mindful of our place within collegiate athletics."
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:59 pm to KosmoCramer
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Biggest rumors right now is a 5-year bowl ban, loss of 60 scholarships over 5 years, all revenue from the B1G has to go to charity, no non-conference games for 2013 and 2014, and no home games can be played in 2013.
That is pretty much a modern day death penalty. They won't be able to win 5 games a year for the next 10 years.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:00 pm to KosmoCramer
The thread on the sc rant was whacked right after I posted that I thought it was a bad idea for the NCAA to be involved in what is a legal matter. The people responsible or whoever helped cover up should be put in jail and the univ should pay money to the victims but IMO it is a bad idea for the NCAA to get involved. What happens if they start deciding to punish schools for other legal issues such as J. John dealing drugs on campus at Alabama or what happened with Jefferson at the bar last year. Their job is to prevent schools from cheating not get involved in legal matters. Victims such as this would be better served by turning the program into something positive that donates large amounts of money to victims of sexual abuse. These football programs are an overall positive for these institutions.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:02 pm to LSU GrandDad
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i also heard there may be a 30-60 mil. fine
I'm thinking the loss of B1G revenue from TV contracts and bowl payouts is what this is referring to, and why the range is so large.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:03 pm to labamafan
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The thread on the sc rant was whacked right after I posted that I thought it was a bad idea for the NCAA to be involved in what is a legal matter
They won't be punished because of a legal matter.
And did you same the same thing about Baylor basketball?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:03 pm to tigerpimpbot
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It's one of the all-time historic modern tragedies.
Especially considering how respected and revered he was. ESPN had long hailed him as the last great college coach, a living legend.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:04 pm to labamafan
quote:Why would you post about Penn State on the South Carolina rant?
The thread on the sc rant was whacked right after I posted that I thought it was a bad idea for the NCAA to be involved in what is a legal matter.
quote:This is far-reaching and permeates Penn State football. Collective guilt.
The people responsible or whoever helped cover up should be put in jail and the univ should pay money to the victims but IMO it is a bad idea for the NCAA to get involved.
quote:Were Saban/Miles and many other people covering up, condoning, and allowing these actions to continue unabated?
What happens if they start deciding to punish schools for other legal issues such as J. John dealing drugs on campus at Alabama or what happened with Jefferson at the bar last year.
quote:Link?
Their job is to prevent schools from cheating not get involved in legal matters.
quote:They're going to do that.
Victims such as this would be better served by turning the program into something positive that donates large amounts of money to victims of sexual abuse
quote:Not at Penn State, no.
These football programs are an overall positive for these institutions.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 7:47 pm
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