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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:10 pm to TheDoc
Here's another thing: Emmert wouldn't dare do this unless he had the support of the NCAA board of directors. You can be certain that he has their approval.
Here's who's on the board:
NCAA board members
Here's who's on the board:
NCAA board members
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:11 pm to Srbtiger06
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They aren't THAT hurt...but it affects them.
Not that much
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The bowl revenue, again, affects players.
To an extent.
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They have a ton of teams participating under the NCAA banner now and major sanctions aren't frequent in the big picture. You can't stamp out everything.
Of course. And usually teams that are guilty of secondary violations and if they are self-reported, don't face major sanctions. But there is an incentive to self-report.
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Which is the NCAA's fault
Not necessarily.
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Not USC's or the current players.
It may not be fair for everyone involved but that's the better way to handle. The players aren't that impacted.
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Like I said, I'm sure Bush and Carroll and the lot are just devastated and crushed that they hurt USC and can't find employment.
Either way, the NCAA can't do anything to Bush or Carroll now. But future players and leaders/coaches are on notice of what can happen if NCAA violations are committed.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:11 pm to BamaGradinTn
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lol at the notion that accreditation isn't athletics. You can't even field a team if you aren't accredited.
Again, it isn't imminent like penalties are. It isn't the NCAA.
Athletics have ZERO bearing on accreditation.
No, you cannot be in the NCAA if you aren't accredited. Accreditation isn't the topic at hand though.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:13 pm to Rocket
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Of course. And usually teams that are guilty of secondary violations and if they are self-reported, don't face major sanctions. But there is an incentive to self-report.
There would still be incentive to self-report.
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Not necessarily.
How so?
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It may not be fair for everyone involved but that's the better way to handle. The players aren't that impacted.
Meh. Agree to disagree. I just think there are other ways to handle it that don't affect current student-athletes.
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Either way, the NCAA can't do anything to Bush or Carroll now.
So why punish others for their actions? Fine the program, put sanctions on any team that hires Carroll, and put USC on probation.
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:14 pm to usc6158
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It's hard for me to imagine a TV ban being in there considering the implications for other Big-10 and OOC teams
It's not unheard of. Kentucky had one in the 80s when Sutton and Co. got hit with violations.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:14 pm to Srbtiger06
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No, you cannot be in the NCAA if you aren't accredited. Accreditation isn't the topic at hand though.
I know I'm being repetitive here,,but there WILL be US Senate hearings on this
I'm not predicting that they lose accreditation but they will be threatened with it
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:14 pm to BluegrassBelle
Auburn football had a TV (and postseason) ban in 1993. They went undefeated. 
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:15 pm to BamaGradinTn
According to your link, Pres. Guy Bailey is on the board. I wonder if he stays on there after leaving Tx Tech to come to UA?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
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It's not unheard of. Kentucky had one in the 80s when Sutton and Co. got hit with violations.
Different time. In the current media environment, where everything is on TV and media rights deals are enormous, it would be a big blow to the rest of the conference
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:20 pm to genro
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Auburn football had a TV (and postseason) ban in 1993. They went undefeated.
We did it in '94.
I'm guessing the "fine" is lost revenue. $30-60 million is a big range, so I think they're probably guestimating based on future conference payouts for TV/post-season.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:23 pm to Srbtiger06
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There would still be incentive to self-report.
But your penalties aren't severe enough
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How so?
Because investigations take time.
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just think there are other ways to handle it that don't affect current student-athletes.
There are others way. Don't think the penalties would be severe enough.
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So why punish others for their actions?
They aren't that punished. Players on scholarship can still keep their scholarships. Loss of bowl play isn't that big of a deal. If you are going to get drafted, you are still going to get drafted.
The penalties, the way they are now, provide extra incentive not to violate rules.
Did you ever play football.......and when one player was dogging it, everybody had to run sprints? Kinda like that.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:27 pm to Srbtiger06
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Yahoo! Sports has reported that Emmert will be deciding on the sanctions personally, via "a special provision allowing such a step if he receives approval from the NCAA's board of directors." In lieu of the usual NCAA investigation, Emmert will be citing the Freeh report as "actionable evidence."
NCAA staaaaaacked
Penn State fuuuuuucked
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:30 pm to Srbtiger06
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Srbtiger06
"Unprecedented" NCAA penalties for Penn State to be announced Mon. at 9AM EST
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lol at the notion that accreditation isn't athletics. You can't even field a team if you aren't accredited.
Athletics have ZERO bearing on accreditation.
So you're too young to remember Jetgate,
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:31 pm to NBamaAlum
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NBamaAlum
"Unprecedented" NCAA penalties for Penn State to be announced Mon. at 9AM EST
According to your link, Pres. Guy Bailey is on the board. I wonder if he stays on there after leaving Tx Tech to come to UA?
Good question. I don't know. Hope he does.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:31 pm to tigerpimpbot
Here's an interesting thread on a Penn State board. Someone asks if they should just leave the Big 10 and drop football altogether and pretty much everyone agrees that it would be a good idea. LINK
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:36 pm to Rocket
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But your penalties aren't severe enough
How so? A severe financial loss isn't incentive?
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Because investigations take time.
Well that isn't the fault of the player that was born 4 years too late.
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There are others way. Don't think the penalties would be severe enough.
If it's going to happen, it is going to happen. Coaches will try to win at all costs anyway. The NCAA doesn't have the power to punish them severely. They don't have the power to 'severely' punish the player committing the violation either. I don't see much reason to punish current players. The only real 'punishment' towards the actual offenders is that they'll be vilified. Big deal.
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They aren't that punished. Players on scholarship can still keep their scholarships. Loss of bowl play isn't that big of a deal. If you are going to get drafted, you are still going to get drafted.
In most cases I can see the argument. The proposed penalties will wreck shite at PSU though. This goes farther than hampering the football team. This hits the entire AD HARD as well as the university.
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Did you ever play football.......and when one player was dogging it, everybody had to run sprints? Kinda like that.
Except we never ran laps for a guy dogging it 5 years prior.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:37 pm to TDawg1313
wow
Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:38 pm to TDawg1313
Damn it's sounding like the NCAA is gonna strip them down so badly and hold them hostage for so much that they would actually, literally, prefer the death penalty.
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