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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:05 pm to MOT
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:05 pm to MOT
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And did you same the same thing about Baylor basketball?
There were scores of explicit NCAA violations at Baylor
If they're going to punish Penn State, doing it by decree and not going through the normal NCAA process is a bad step to take
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 7:06 pm
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:05 pm to labamafan
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The thread on the sc rant was whacked right after I posted that I thought it was a bad idea for the NCAA to be involved in what is a legal matter. The people responsible or whoever helped cover up should be put in jail and the univ should pay money to the victims but IMO it is a bad idea for the NCAA to get involved. What happens if they start deciding to punish schools for other legal issues such as J. John dealing drugs on campus at Alabama or what happened with Jefferson at the bar last year. Their job is to prevent schools from cheating not get involved in legal matters. Victims such as this would be better served by turning the program into something positive that donates large amounts of money to victims of sexual abuse. These football programs are an overall positive for these institutions
The key point you are missing is that the NCAA is NOT punishing the act, but the response by PSU to the act. They are punishing PSU for the 14 year cover up. If PSU had come out as soon as this happened and reveal it none of this would be warranted. Joe Pa could have looked like a saint and a hero just by throwing Sandusky under the bus where he belonged. Instead, the decide to hatch the biggest conspiracy in CFB history. The NCAA wants to send a message that covering things of this nature will not be tolerated, ever.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:06 pm to labamafan
The NCAA isn't punishing the school for rape.
I agreed with you that the NCAA shouldn't get involved until the Freeh report came out, and after finally getting around to reading about Triponey's experience there ( Former Penn State Dean not surprised by Freeh Report.)
I agreed with you that the NCAA shouldn't get involved until the Freeh report came out, and after finally getting around to reading about Triponey's experience there ( Former Penn State Dean not surprised by Freeh Report.)
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:07 pm to labamafan
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labamafan
You're on the wrong side of history on this one. Comparing a player dealing drugs on campus or JJ's bar fight to Joe Paterno actively covering up for the child rapist Jerry Sandusky is an exceedingly horrific take on the situation at hand.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:09 pm to MontyFranklyn
That is true I didn't think of it like that. Was this an isolated issue as in did they just cover up the one incident or did it continue to go on and Paterno turn a blind eye?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:09 pm to labamafan
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John dealing drugs on campus at Alabama or what happened with Jefferson at the bar last year. Their job is to prevent schools from cheating not get involved in legal matters.
IT's the COVER-UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!
Not the Act, rather the Knowingly Concealing the Act from LE and Administrators
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:10 pm to usc6158
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There were scores of explicit NCAA violations at Baylor
Correct, and they were uncovered during the course of a murder investigation, and made worse when their coach tried to cover them up and committed more violations.
Penn State is not being penalized for crimes committed by Sandusky, they will be penalized for some sort of NCAA violation that came about as part of the investigation.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:11 pm to labamafan
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That is true I didn't think of it like that. Was this an isolated issue as in did they just cover up the one incident or did it continue to go on and Paterno turn a blind eye?
Yes yes and yes. Oh, and he lied to the grand jury under oath about what he knew. PSU is fricked because of their undying devotion to Joe Pa.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:14 pm to labamafan
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That is true I didn't think of it like that. Was this an isolated issue as in did they just cover up the one incident or did it continue to go on and Paterno turn a blind eye?
Ding, Ding, Ding! Yes, Paterno turned a blind I for at least 14 years and knew of multiple accounts of child rape.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:23 pm to MontyFranklyn
I've stated before, my boss is really close to all the players at Penn State (Sandusky, Spanier, etc)
She blames the media for everything.
She blames the media for everything.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:27 pm to SanFranTiger
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She blames the media for everything
So do some posters on this board.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:29 pm to SanFranTiger
quote:Cult gonna cult.
She blames the media for everything.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:31 pm to genro
Lets keep in mind that civil suits haven't even begun to pile up against Penn State. They will though. They're gonna pay a ton of money to make up for this. Not a good time to be involved with or even just a fan of Penn State.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:37 pm to usc6158
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If they're going to punish Penn State, doing it by decree and not going through the normal NCAA process is a bad step to take
Agreed. I fully support death penalty sanctions but this is the wrong way to do it. Emmert is trying to look decisive and he obviously wants the punishment implemented before the season starts. However, I would say there is a 75% chance that either an appeals committee or a court completely overturns the sanctions. Even private organizations have to follow their own bylaws and provide minimal due process.
This is the equivalent of skipping the Sandusky trial, having Obama read a report about what happened, and then issuing a decree to just hang him. The public would love it but that won't hold up in court.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:43 pm to Srbtiger06
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So why punish others for their actions? Fine the program, put sanctions on any team that hires Carroll, and put USC on probation
So your argument is that you can't put sanctions on the guilty institution because of all the poor innocent people that will be hurt, but you're ok with sanctioning the new school and all their poor innocent people? And the school that was the beneficiary of his cheating gets off with nothing? How does that make sense?
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:45 pm to Monticello
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However, I would say there is a 75% chance that either an appeals committee or a court completely overturns the sanctions.
Supposedly PSU doesn't plan to appeal
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:50 pm to Monticello
quote:FWIW, I've seen some tweets/articles saying Penn State will not appeal no matter what.
I would say there is a 75% chance that either an appeals committee or a court completely overturns the sanctions.
quote:I suspect this isn't just based on the Freeh report. I suspect the NCAA has been investigating since the beginning, has much of their own information, and was just waiting for the Freeh.
This is the equivalent of skipping the Sandusky trial, having Obama read a report about what happened, and then issuing a decree to just hang him. The public would love it but that won't hold up in court.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:53 pm to genro
No link, but breaking on CNN.com
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Source: Penn State will be hit with fines over $30 million as part of penalties to be announced Monday by the NCAA.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 7:54 pm to Monticello
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Agreed. I fully support death penalty sanctions but this is the wrong way to do it. Emmert is trying to look decisive and he obviously wants the punishment implemented before the season starts.
FWIW Wetzel points out that the sanctions towards USC were delayed nearly 2 years while the school fought thru the appeals process. Says NCAA did not want any part of that taking place here.
Posted on 7/22/12 at 8:03 pm to BraveTiger225
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Source: Penn State will be hit with fines over $30 million as part of penalties to be announced Monday by the NCAA.
If true that is complete bullshite. PSU will be hit with hundreds of millions in damages in the pending litigation. Emmert just wants to get a chunk of the money for his own organization. Give them the death penalty, but at least give them due process, an opportunity to be heard, and don't try to profit from it.
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