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re: Penn State NCAA Sanctions thread - announcement at 8 CST

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Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:59 pm to
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"Certain departments monitored their own compliance issues with very limited resources," the report found. Ensuring compliance with the federal Clery Act, which requires the reporting of crimes, was handled by someone with "minimal time."


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Emmert told Penn State in November that the organization would be examining the "exercise of institutional control" within the athletic department, and said it was clear that "deceitful and dishonest behavior" could be considered a violation of ethics rules. So, too, could a failure to exhibit moral values.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:59 pm to
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I said get the power to fine and then use THAT as your punishment. Establish clear cut rules rather than ambiguous by-laws.


Didn't you just say that anything that might happen down the road is irrelevant right now? God, I love badass teenagers waging message board wars.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 5:59 pm to
The NCAA will fine Penn State at least $30 million and perhaps as much as $60 million for its involvement in the Jerry Sandusky scandal, industry sources told CBSSports.com's Brett McMurphy.
The record fine will go toward an endowment for children's causes, sources said.
"This is a fine like no fine before," an industry source told CBSSports.com.
CBSSports.com's Dennis Dodd has reported Penn State will face "significant penalties that could severely damage the football program's ability to compete" when the NCAA announces sanctions against the football program at a 9 a.m. news conference Monday.
To put the fine in perspective, Penn State's athletic department had $116 million in revenue for the 2010-11 school year, the most recent data available according to figures from the U.S. Department of Education's Equity in Athletics.



A source told CBS News correspondent Armen Keteyian that Penn State will suffer "unprecedented" punishment for its collective failure to report Sandusky, recently convicted on 45 counts of sexual abuse, to the proper authorities.
"I've never seen anything like it," the source told Keteyian, indicating that both the football program and the school itself would face sanctions.
Per Dodd, a person with knowledge of the process said there is a way to impact Penn State's competitive ability in football without applying the so-called “death penalty.” That term could be mere semantics by the time the NCAA sanctions are announced according to a source. Penn State, the source said, may prefer the death penalty.
A source confirmed for CBSSports.com that there are indications the penalties could be so unique they would be different than any previously applied by the NCAA. They could last beyond one season.
David Jones of the Patriot-News reported that regardless of the severity of the sanctions, "they will not be appealed or substantively challenged." According to Jones, the university is "desirous of a positive relationship with the NCAA in the future" and won't jeopardize that relationship with an appeal.
The NCAA announced the 9 a.m. press conference in a statement Sunday morning, one saying the organization would be detailing the “corrective and punitive actions” taken against Penn State. Both Emmert and Ed Ray, Oregon State president and the NCAA Executive Committee Chair, will be present. That suggests that the committee itself may have taken the action outside of the formal investigative process.
Critics of the NCAA penalizing Penn State have said the association has no jurisdiction in this matter, one that emerges from criminal action like Sandusky's conviction on 45 counts of sexual abuse.
Emmert has repeatedly raised the possibility of NCAA sanctions for Penn State, however, and in the wake of the Freeh Report's account of the program's failures to stop Sandusky, would not rule out the use of the death penalty.
"This is completely different than an impermissible benefits scandal like (what) happened at SMU, or anything else we've dealt with. This is as systemic a cultural problem as it is a football problem. There have been people that said this wasn't a football scandal," Emmert told PBS. "Well, it was more than a football scandal, much more than a football scandal. It was that but much more. And we'll have to figure out exactly what the right penalties are. I don't know that past precedent makes particularly good sense in this case, because it's really an unprecedented problem."
Yahoo! Sports has reported that Emmert will be deciding on the sanctions personally, via "a special provision allowing such a step if he receives approval from the NCAA's board of directors." In lieu of the usual NCAA investigation, Emmert will be citing the Freeh report as "actionable evidence."
Current NCAA rules limit the death penalty to colleges already on probation that commit another major violation. But NCAA leaders have indicated in recent months they are willing to use harsher penalties for the worst offenses. That includes postseason and TV bans, which haven't been used extensively since the 1980s.
Emmert told Penn State in November that the organization would be examining the "exercise of institutional control" within the athletic department, and said it was clear that "deceitful and dishonest behavior" could be considered a violation of ethics rules. So, too, could a failure to exhibit moral values.
Bob Williams, the NCAA's vice president of communications, said after the Freeh report was released that Penn State needed to answer "four key questions, concerning compliance with institutional control and ethics policies."
Likely of particular interest to the NCAA were the report's conclusions that the school had "decentralized and uneven" oversight of compliance issues - laws, regulations, policies and procedures.
"Certain departments monitored their own compliance issues with very limited resources," the report found. Ensuring compliance with the federal Clery Act, which requires the reporting of crimes, was handled by someone with "minimal time."
"One of the most challenging tasks confronting the university," the report added, "is an open, honest and thorough examination of the culture that underlies the failure of Penn State's most powerful leaders to respond appropriately to Sandusky's crimes."
Penn State President Rodney Erickson said after the report that the school was "in much better position to respond" to the NCAA"s request.


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Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:01 pm to
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So about that no fine thing...

I asked because I wasn't sure if they were allowed to fine, but you never responded because you haven't responded to my past few responses to you
I gave you the opportunity to correct me...
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe they have the power to fine schools

I was wrong, but I'm glad I was wrong if this turns out true because this would be a great thing.
Posted by tigerpimpbot
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:01 pm to
They're getting the death penalty without them calling it the death penalty.
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:01 pm to
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Didn't you just say that anything that might happen down the road is irrelevant right now? God, I love badass teenagers waging message board wars.


Really?

We're discussing NCAA sanctions and why they're absurd. How they could be improved/changed is being discussed as well.

What the frick does that have to do with Penn State maybe losing academic accreditation down the road? It isn't athletics. It isn't the NCAA. It isn't imminent.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:02 pm to
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They're getting the death penalty without them calling it the death penalty.
seems to be,,

follow the money,, GUT the program

fine them SO much they cannot compete at the Div 1 level

they still CAN play, but they wont be able to compete
Posted by Lsuhoohoo
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:03 pm to


This is a bullshite rumor right? That's massive penalties.
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:03 pm to
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I asked because I wasn't sure if they were allowed to fine, but you never responded because you haven't responded to my past few responses to you


I've been trying to keep up. Honestly I wasn't 100% on the NCAA's ability to fine institutions so I just stayed out of that one. The other geniuses in the thread shot it down pretty quickly so I assumed they knew

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I was wrong, but I'm glad I was wrong if this turns out true because this would be a great thing.


Agreed.
Posted by PowerTool
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:03 pm to
I've resisted name calling through this entire thread, but I can't help it...you're a fricking idiot.
Posted by MOT
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:03 pm to
Is it actually a fine, or is it revenue they won't be receiving from the conference contracts because of being ineligible for bowls and TV?
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:04 pm to
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I've resisted name calling through this entire thread, but I can't help it...you're a fricking idiot.


You've still brought nothing of relevance to this thread.
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:05 pm to
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TheSexecutioner
"Unprecedented" NCAA penalties for Penn State to be announced Mon. at 9AM EST
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Not to mention that if you graduate from the University of Alabama and have any personalty whatsoever, you will be able to write your own ticket in the state professionally if you can put Alabama Football Player on your resume.


I'm not arguing that not being able to play football is better than being able to play ball. All I'm saying is that they are getting screwed(which I'm defining as not getting what they deserve in an open market) by the NCAA from getting what they deserve.

What are your professions? You wouldn't feel screwed if some governing body capped the amount that your employer could pay you?


Come on, man...surely you're smarter than this. You want football players to get paid what they deserve on the open market, then take it up with the U.S. Department of Education. The're the ones that enforce Title IX...not the NCAA. As long as the USDOE, who enforces Title IX and distributes federal funding, insists on calling football players and gymnasts students and not employees, you can forget it. Jeez.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 6:08 pm
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:06 pm to
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This is a bullshite rumor right? That's massive penalties.
I doubt its EXACTLY what will happen,,but its close

look at my other post,, the fine is reportedly 30-60 million,, they can still play,,but the wont be able to pay.

Posted by MOT
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:06 pm to
The NCAA doesn't keep players from going straight to the NFL, the NFL does. If they want to play in the NCAA they aren't going to get paid like a professional, that's just the way it is.
Posted by Srbtiger06
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:06 pm to
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Is it actually a fine, or is it revenue they won't be receiving from the conference contracts because of being ineligible for bowls and TV?


If they're requiring charitable donation then it's a fine regardless.

If not then I wanna know how that works and affects other B1G schools.
Posted by TDawg1313
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:07 pm to
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Is it actually a fine, or is it revenue they won't be receiving from the conference contracts because of being ineligible for bowls and TV?

That's what I'm wondering too. I'm still not convinced that they're allowed to "fine" the university, but I think they could creatively fine them. Maybe do something like donating their next $30-$60 million in TV revenue.
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:08 pm to
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This is a bullshite rumor right? That's massive penalties.



I would think so but damn that would definitely be worse than the death penalty
Posted by BamaGradinTn
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:09 pm to
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Srbtiger06
"Unprecedented" NCAA penalties for Penn State to be announced Mon. at 9AM EST
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Didn't you just say that anything that might happen down the road is irrelevant right now? God, I love badass teenagers waging message board wars.


Really?

We're discussing NCAA sanctions and why they're absurd. How they could be improved/changed is being discussed as well.

What the frick does that have to do with Penn State maybe losing academic accreditation down the road? It isn't athletics. It isn't the NCAA. It isn't imminent


lol at the notion that accreditation isn't athletics. You can't even field a team if you aren't accredited. Accreditation includes athletics...and everything else that happens on the campus.
This post was edited on 7/22/12 at 6:11 pm
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 7/22/12 at 6:09 pm to
In case anyone missed it:

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“I have never seen anything as egregious as this in terms of just overall conduct and behavior inside a university and hope to never see it again,” Emmert said in an interview on PBS’ “Tavis Smiley” program.
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