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re: OVERREACTING is the worst...Urban didn’t beat anyone
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:48 pm to slackster
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:48 pm to slackster
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If Urban knew about it and didn't report it, he's in violation of Ohio State's own policy. That's not debatable.
I know, which is why I've stated that if they fire him it will be purely for internal moral reasons and social pressure.
Comparing him to Paterno is nonsense though
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:49 pm to Covingtontiger77
dude if he's fired he won't be a HC again
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:50 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Comparing him to Paterno is nonsense though
Yeah I agree.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:51 pm to slackster
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If Urban knew about it and didn't report it, he's in violation of Ohio State's own policy. That's not debatable.
This. Title IX has some minimums, but OSU appears to have a policy about reporting that Urban didn't follow.
The question is if he knew enough to trigger the policy and then if he did, what OSU will do about it.
It isn't hard to understand why a university would require more than the bare minimum in terms of DV reporting from its staff.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:55 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Urban Meyer did not violate any provision of Title IX (the wife was not an employee of the university and the abuse did not occur in the coaches job capacity) and there is no Ohio law mandating the reporting of suspected spousal abuse
I’m not so sure this is true. Three of the four people were employed by the university. If Meyer was aware that an employee of the university, his coach, was involved in domestic abuse I think he has to report it. I believe the scope of Title IX involves off-campus issues as well. That’s from my training videos I have to suffer through every year. In other words, if Meyer’s wife told him that there was abuse by another employee I think he has to report it. The same as if a student reported abuse to a professor.
The reality though is that Title IX is convoluted and I’m sure lawyers can argue both sides. Meyer should have done both the correct thing and the CYA thing by reporting it.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 7:57 pm to Rep520
If Urban slides for not reporting the allegations given the 2015 policy and the 2018 climate towards domestic violence, the uproar will be insane. A very powerful football coach getting away with this is fodder that I can't imagine any school willing to endure.
I genuinely think even Alabama would get rid of Saban if that was true.
I genuinely think even Alabama would get rid of Saban if that was true.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:11 pm to slackster
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Honest question here - if your subordinate walks up to his wife at a BBQ and knocks her arse out, but she refuses to press charges, would you keep him employed since he isn't convicted of a crime?
Was this in the boss’s presence? Than yes.
Was this an allegation brought by someone the following Monday morning? I guess i would call the wife and ask her to come see her husbands boss so i could look her over and see if she has any bruising. Once I see said bruising, i would then make a citizens arrest and place my employee in a car and drive him the nearest precinct wherein i would press the charges and let the employee know he is fired.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:12 pm to Covingtontiger77
Urban didn't beat anyone.
Also, Hitler didn't rob a bank on horseback.
So how can either be bad people?!
Also, Hitler didn't rob a bank on horseback.
So how can either be bad people?!
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:13 pm to slackster
quote:Urban's wife Shelley was also an OSU employee and she had the same obligation as Urban to report it. There is no way she has plausible deniability as she was texting the victim. Are we to suspend belief so far as to believe Urban did not know what was going on since 2009. BS
His obligations under OSU policy notwithstanding, it's comical how casual some of you are about domestic violence.
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Shelley Meyer is a registered nurse and instructor of Clinical Practice at the Ohio State University College of Nursing. She too is bound by Title IX standards.
Urban's wife is a OSU employee too
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:14 pm to slackster
quote:Id fire him yesterday
Honest question here - if your subordinate walks up to his wife at a BBQ and knocks her arse out, but she refuses to press charges, would you keep him employed since he isn't convicted of a crime?
But let’s actully use a hypothetical related to this case
Your wife tells you one of your employees wives told her he is beating her
You bring your employee in. He tells you she is nuts and that’s a lie and she is a crazy woman doing this to ruin him for a custody battle
You find out the cops let him go without an arrest or a charge
You still fire him?
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:20 pm to Covingtontiger77
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Was this in the boss’s presence? Than yes.
Was this an allegation brought by someone the following Monday morning? I guess i would call the wife and ask her to come see her husbands boss so i could look her over and see if she has any bruising. Once I see said bruising, i would then make a citizens arrest and place my employee in a car and drive him the nearest precinct wherein i would press the charges and let the employee know he is fired.
Are you serious?
There are real investigative techniques for DV investigations. Call the police and let them handle an investigation.
It's why mandatory reporting policies exist. Just because you're a manager doesn't mean you know jack about determining if a crime occurred. Which cuts back to the main thing with Urban...if he knew, he just had to follow basic reporting protocol and there would be no issue.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:20 pm to Covingtontiger77
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This age we are in needs to pass into the books posts haste. The man about to be fired didn’t beat anyone. In addition to all of his other responsibilities, he’s also supposed to be the moral police and regular police as it relates to allegations of third party actions towards a spouse. Ridiculous.
Urban covered up domestic violence. Contractually (Article 1.5 in his contract I believe) states he is responsible for his staff conducting themselves with behavior consistent with OSU core values. He is the head football coach of Ohio State University. With great power comes great responsibility. If you don't understand individuals in certain positions being held to a higher standard, even contractually, then I can't help you.
This is not T-boy beatin' Pookie arse and Peanut don't say shite to the plant manager
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:21 pm to Rep520
quote:You realize the cops were made aware correct?
There are real investigative techniques for DV investigations. Call the police and let them handle an investigation.
It's why mandatory reporting policies exist. Just because you're a manager doesn't mean you know jack about determining if a crime occurred. Which cuts back to the main thing with Urban...if he knew, he just had to follow basic reporting protocol and there would be no issue.
You seem to have contradicted yourself, or don’t know the cops were involved
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:21 pm to lsupride87
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But let’s actully use a hypothetical related to this case
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You bring your employee in. He tells you she is nuts and that’s a lie and she is a crazy woman doing this to ruin him for a custody battle
You find out the cops let him go without an arrest or a charge
That's not what happened here.
The guy had abuse accusations going back to 2009 while at UF with Urban. Woman had visible bruises. All the wives knew about it in 2015. Urban keeps him on the staff regardless.
I know the point you're trying to make, but drawing some hard and fast line at no charges, no firing is a bad policy. There are plenty of times it's acceptable to let someone go despite a lack of criminal charges/conviction.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:22 pm to ItNeverRains
You realize T-boy was brought into the cops and realeased without charges correct?
I feel like that is going unnoticed here
I feel like that is going unnoticed here
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:23 pm to slackster
quote:And yet the cops still didn’t charge or arrest him.....
Woman had visible bruises. All the wives knew about it in 2015. Urban keeps him on the staff regardless.
She claims in Columbus she had visible bruises, which one wife says “and the cops still let him go?”
So either the cops were dirty, or she is lying
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:25 pm to AgCoug
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In other words, if Meyer’s wife told him that there was abuse by another employee I think he has to report it
We really don't need to say "if" b/c there is no way in hell his wife didn't tell him about it.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:28 pm to lsupride87
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You realize the cops were made aware correct?
You seem to have contradicted yourself, or don’t know the cops were involved
From what's posted, the OSU policy requires notification of police or internal superior if someone has cause to believe a crime occurred.
I haven't seen a portion excusing not telling anyone if police were already notified. That usually doesn't exist because it would discourage someone who might have more info than was previously known from speaking up if they thought it was handled.
If I'm wrong and OSU's policy excuses not reporting if there is separate police contact, let me know, I didn't read their policy exhaustively.
Posted on 8/1/18 at 8:30 pm to lsupride87
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You still fire him?
Even if I think the issue is settled, I at least take the issue to my HR/legal department to make sure I’m covered and the multi-million dollar organization isn’t at risk.
This post was edited on 8/1/18 at 8:32 pm
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