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re: Old Dominion 38 - Ragin Cajuns 31 Coach Michael “Chris Scelfo” Desormeaux needs more time
Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:02 pm to Limitlesstigers
Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:02 pm to Limitlesstigers
ULL screwed the pooch whenever Napier left. Up until that point I was pretty impressed with their latest AD (although admittedly I'm looking from afar).
I get they were paying Napier a lot, but they missed an opportunity to land a home run up-and-comer. They could have gotten that coach for much cheaper than Nappier too. If he wins, pay him more, until he lands that bigger job. If he doesn't win, well you are where you are now anyway.
Instead they were sold on MD keeping the ball rolling with what Napier was doing. I knew he was done when I heard an interview with him turning up his nose at bringing in transfers. If MD was such a great coach, he would have been in Gainesville with Napier.
ULL could be Tulane right now. Instead they are, well ULL.
I get they were paying Napier a lot, but they missed an opportunity to land a home run up-and-comer. They could have gotten that coach for much cheaper than Nappier too. If he wins, pay him more, until he lands that bigger job. If he doesn't win, well you are where you are now anyway.
Instead they were sold on MD keeping the ball rolling with what Napier was doing. I knew he was done when I heard an interview with him turning up his nose at bringing in transfers. If MD was such a great coach, he would have been in Gainesville with Napier.
ULL could be Tulane right now. Instead they are, well ULL.
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Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:32 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
Tulane will regress to the mean in a year or so. Fritz won two games only in 2021
Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:34 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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ULL could be Tulane right now. Instead they are, well ULL.
UL was where Tulane is right now, they had the longest win streak in the nation and consecutive top 25 seasons. What did that really get UL other than some bragging rights. The cold hard truth is college football is a bad investment for a G5 in this free agency era (nil/transfer portal). You really think Tulane will be able to sustain success after this season?
If you are not one of the top 30ish big money schools, good luck.
Posted on 9/12/23 at 4:47 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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ULL screwed the pooch whenever Napier left. Up until that point I was pretty impressed with their latest AD (although admittedly I'm looking from afar).
I get they were paying Napier a lot, but they missed an opportunity to land a home run up-and-comer. They could have gotten that coach for much cheaper than Nappier too. If he wins, pay him more, until he lands that bigger job. If he doesn't win, well you are where you are now anyway.
All of this. Napier built (and I won't discount the role Hud played even though things were stale at the end) a program where and up and comer could jump in and feasibly springboard himself into the big money gig everybody wants. And frankly UL should plenty happy to be a consistent bowl team that can feed coaches into bigger and better opportunities.
I think there's a lot to offer that should be able to attract a hot name first time coach. There's an indoor practice facility and athletic performance center that a lot of schools at this tier don't have. I think it's good place to start compared to similar opportunities.
Whatever the reason, be it the small time USL mindset or financial limitations after the covid year, the went and made a one of us hire on the cheap that no one else would have wanted. A historically futile program finally has some success to be proud of and what do they do with it?
Posted on 9/12/23 at 5:59 pm to Lsuhoohoo
I understand the gamble Dr. Maggard is taking. Key word taking, because Des still has time here. If you strike gold with a Des and he can crank out winning seasons and SBC championships, you can maybe get a long-term coach.
On the other hand, you can go the Arkansas State route and hire up-and-comers or retreads that leave you after a year of success. Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn, and Bryan Harsin.
Does he excite the fanbase like a famous retread hire? No. But honestly, neither would hiring an unknown up-and-comer. Even during Napier's winning seasons, attendance was low.
On the other hand, you can go the Arkansas State route and hire up-and-comers or retreads that leave you after a year of success. Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn, and Bryan Harsin.
Does he excite the fanbase like a famous retread hire? No. But honestly, neither would hiring an unknown up-and-comer. Even during Napier's winning seasons, attendance was low.
This post was edited on 9/12/23 at 6:00 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 12:09 pm to red sox fan 13
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Serious question for Lafayette people. Was Hudspeth a swinger? I definitely heard that rumor when he was still coaching there. And read it on TD
Watched his wife grind on any swinging dick that would dance with her at a few different bars around town, and each time Hud was sitting on a barstool staring her down while she did it
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 12:24 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 12:49 pm to SportsGuyNOLA
Just wait till Napier is out at Fla and bring him back, was the perfect fit for ULL
Posted on 9/13/23 at 1:57 pm to Musashi
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What did that really get UL other than some bragging right
It got them to be at the top of a conference, which also happens to be climbing the ladder into being the best G5 conference.
With the new playoff format ULL could have legit been in playoff contention if it remained a SunBelt conference front runner, as the G5 representative.
They had a chance to make a hire to keep them in that conversation, but they didn't. You had pretty solid evidence of the "one of us" hires not working right down the road. And like I said, is Desermeaux was the real deal, why wasn't he picked to follow to Gainesville? That should have told you all you needed to know about what Napier really thought about him.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 1:59 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:18 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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Instead they were sold on MD keeping the ball rolling with what Napier was doing. I knew he was done when I heard an interview with him turning up his nose at bringing in transfers. If MD was such a great coach, he would have been in Gainesville with Napier.
ULL could be Tulane right now. Instead they are, well ULL.
Desormeaux was killed in the portal. We will continue to get killed in the portal because won’t pay $300k in NIL deals like Trey Amos got from Bama.
Kyren Lacy LSU
Mekhi Garner LSU
O’Cyruss Torrence Florida
Amad Johnson Florida
Emani Bailey TCU
Lorenzo McCaskill Kansas
Kam Pedescleaux Tulane
Tyler Brown Jax St/Colorado
Trey Amos Alabama
All starters poached through tampering and NIL.
There are many internal issues at UL that won’t be fixed until Martin Hall changes it’s attitude toward the role athletics plays for a university. AD Maggard is focused on getting the facility improvements completed.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 2:40 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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And like I said, is Desermeaux was the real deal, why wasn't he picked to follow to Gainesville? That should have told you all you needed to know about what Napier really thought about him.
Because CMD's aspiration was to be the HC at UL. Rob Sale was always going to be Billy's OC in Florida. So does Des come along as a position coach making 200-300k?
Or does he toss his hat in the ring for a D1 head coach gig that lands him $800k and to lead the program he played QB for? All while not having to uproot his young family?
It's a "one of us" hire, but it's definitely a calculated hire that makes a lot of sense for all parties involved.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:23 pm to Baers Foot
If Desormeaux lays an egg this year -- especially against this pathetic schedule -- then I dont know how you don't at least consider looking for a replacement..
2024 you've got UAB, Tulane at home, and Michigan St on the schedule already, plus I'm assuming we'll see some of Coastal, App St, etc...
If you can have a good season with that schedule, then you're running full sprint into 2025 when the stadium renovation is supposed to be finished, and you might could keep that ball rolling
2024 you've got UAB, Tulane at home, and Michigan St on the schedule already, plus I'm assuming we'll see some of Coastal, App St, etc...
If you can have a good season with that schedule, then you're running full sprint into 2025 when the stadium renovation is supposed to be finished, and you might could keep that ball rolling
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 3:26 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:25 pm to NIH
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I’m half way to thinking the Cajuns should just punt on football and pump NIL money into baseball
This. Cajuns baseball is a good product. Seems like the fans don’t even care about the football team, so why should they try to compete in such a rigged game?
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:36 pm to Earnest_P
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Seems like the fans don’t even care about the football team, so why should they try to compete in such a rigged game?
Baseball is starting to go the way of basketball and football as well..
Cajuns can put together a starting lineup and pitching staff good enough to do well in conference and get them to the tournament, but they simply can't match the depth that these P5 schools can pull out of the bullpen in a three-day tournament
So just like basketball, they can get there, but are at a severe disadvantage.
And that eventually turns into just being happy to be there, and your fans get complacent and find something else to spend money on
Posted on 9/13/23 at 3:51 pm to jmcwhrter
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Baseball is starting to go the way of basketball and football as well..
Cajuns can put together a starting lineup and pitching staff good enough to do well in conference and get them to the tournament, but they simply can't match the depth that these P5 schools can pull out of the bullpen in a three-day tournament
So just like basketball, they can get there, but are at a severe disadvantage. And that eventually turns into just being happy to be there, and your fans get complacent and find something else to spend money on
Cajuns baseball is a top 30-50 program. Each season there are about 15 programs with deep enough pitching to get through a Regional from the losers bracket.
Had the Cajuns defeated Texas the regional could have gone a different way.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 4:04 pm to Hold That Tiger 10
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With the new playoff format ULL could have legit been in playoff contention if it remained a SunBelt conference front runner, as the G5 representative. They had a chance to make a hire to keep them in that conversation, but they didn't. You had pretty solid evidence of the "one of us" hires not working right down the road. And like I said, is Desermeaux was the real deal, why wasn't he picked to follow to Gainesville? That should have told you all you needed to know about what Napier really thought about him.
You are wrong about continuing dominance, they could have spent more money on a “splash” hire, yet they still would have been losing all the transfers that left when Napier left, had a depleted oline and the loss of your 5th year senior qb. You may not think Desormeaux was the right hire but by no means was this a step in and dominate situation. You also need to remember how many close wins Napier had at UL, things could have been alot different if some missed fg’s had gone the other way, Napier was extremely lucky.
The jury is still out on Desormeaux. The biggest mark against Desormeaux for me is not utilizing the portal enough, however if he can improve and succeed there is an opportunity to have a long term coach rather than another coach jumping for a bigger job.
The biggest downfall for UL in my opinion was covid-NIL-transfer portal all coincided with their rise. You just can’t compete today as a G5 and sustain success in this free agent market, especially with as tight a budget as UL has with shitty alumni and fan support in the Lafayette/Acadiana area.
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:34 pm to jmcwhrter
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If Desormeaux lays an egg this year -- especially against this pathetic schedule -- then I dont know how you don't at least consider looking for a replacement.
I’m going to tell you that, right or wrong by Martin Hall, Dez could lose the rest of the games this season and he will not be fired. He’ll be given at LEAST three years, if not more.
Martin Hall doesn’t really care about athletic progress. Had the F- Trump locker room video not gotten out in public, Hud might have been given another year or two “to turn things around”. And 6-6 with a NOLA Bowl trip would have been good enough for our administration.
This post was edited on 9/13/23 at 7:36 pm
Posted on 9/13/23 at 7:37 pm to nicholastiger
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Just wait till Napier is out at Fla and bring him back
Not a bad idea at all.
But instead, someone like Arkansas State or UTSA if they have to replace Traylor will pull the trigger on that, and our university “leadership” will just be caught playing with their peckers instead.
Posted on 9/14/23 at 7:33 pm to UncleLester
One thing that I think affects both Desormeaux's struggles in Lafayette and Napier's struggles in Florida is his staff. Napier had the top staff in the Sunbelt; that staff was probably top 5 in G5 and as good as probably 1/2 of the P5. He had a pro coach as OC, a sitting and successful FCS coach as DC, and Juluke, one of the best recruiters in the south.
Desormeaux doesn't have that level of staff.
And while that staff was top shelf G5 for Napier, it's not top shelf SEC.
Desormeaux doesn't have that level of staff.
And while that staff was top shelf G5 for Napier, it's not top shelf SEC.
This post was edited on 9/14/23 at 7:59 pm
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