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re: Name a team in the last 30 years that beats a healthy Golden State
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:20 am to VA LSU fan
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:20 am to VA LSU fan
2011 Mavs.
Already beat one super team that had LeBron. Could handle these chumps in 5.
Already beat one super team that had LeBron. Could handle these chumps in 5.
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Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:20 am to LSU316
quote:Wait, you DO actually think they defended it better back in the 80s and 90s?
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
If you are saying that people do defend the perimeter in the NBA...
Best joke I've heard all day.
Oh man...
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:22 am to redfishfan
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MJ's Bulls would have a chance only because of MJ, Pippen, and Rodman being so versatile on D. Warriors still likely to beat them.
I think you are forgetting a lot of the role players that made the bulls great. Harper, Kukoc, for example. There are others. I think it would be a 7 game series, not sure who would win.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:23 am to Rand AlThor
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Cool, Shaq would just put up a bunch of 2s and the Warriors would splash back 3s on every possession and easily outscore them
What warriors game have you watched where they splashed back 3's on every possession to outscore whoever they were playing?
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:24 am to Hoops
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Any of the Lakers teams that had Kobe and Shaq would sweep Golden State.
I don't agree with that.
If close at crunch-time ... all GS would have to do is "HACK-A-SHAQ" and the Big Brickistotle would, at best, get 1 ... to GS's 3 on the other end.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:24 am to Kracka
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I think you are forgetting a lot of the role players that made the bulls great. Harper, Kukoc, for example. There are others. I think it would be a 7 game series, not sure who would win.
Wouldn't be a sweep but I would think GS in 5
As good as that team was defensively no one could keep up with Durant IMO
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:25 am to Kracka
The warriors and the MJ bulls would be worth the price of admission just because Rodman would have Draymond in tears by the end of game 1.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:26 am to Powerman
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As good as that team was defensively no one could keep up with Durant IMO
Pippen is probably the best defensive match up for Durant in the history of the NBA.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:26 am to VA LSU fan
2004 Pistons
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:26 am to LSU316
quote:
I'm not sure what you are trying to say here.
If you are saying that people do defend the perimeter in the NBA...
Best joke I've heard all day.
Ok, continue to troll it up, be my guest.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:28 am to Kracka
Biggest problem with Bulls teams is Curry or Thompson. MJ would either be running all day chasing Curry leaving Harper or Kukoc on Thompson or even worse having Harper or Kukoc on Curry.
I think MJ would average 40+ but would still lose the series at best 4-2.
Durant is the most difficult player I have ever seen to guard.
I think MJ would average 40+ but would still lose the series at best 4-2.
Durant is the most difficult player I have ever seen to guard.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:29 am to shel311
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You still haven't explained how they're going to sweep GS, one of the best teams we've ever seen when they couldn't sweep teams that were pretty shitty NBA Finals teams.
OK here it is...read carefully.
The championship Laker teams with Shaq and Kobe would score more points than today's Golden State Warriors in 4 straight games in a playoff series....Voilà sweep!
Seriously lets look at stats....the awesome Golden State Warrior have given up 15 more pts/game than the 99-00 Lakers did. That is huge. The Warriors shoot 3's better statistically but not by as much as you would think (~6%/gm better). This is in today's defensive culture vs the defensive culture of that time. I mean honestly when you look at the stats it even looks like more of chasm.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:31 am to monkeybutt
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Ok, continue to troll it up, be my guest.
I accept your concession.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:31 am to VA LSU fan
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Durant is the most difficult player I have ever seen to guard.
Durant, imo is the athletic version of Larry Bird. He can do everything Bird did, except he's athletic. He doesn't seem to have the temperament that Bird had, but everything else, he's got.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:33 am to LSU316
I don't think anyone is sweeping anyone in any of these imaginary matchups.
I honestly think most are going 6-7 games. And some of them I don't know who is winning. It's all about matchups and who gets hot.
I honestly think most are going 6-7 games. And some of them I don't know who is winning. It's all about matchups and who gets hot.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:34 am to Kracka
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I think you are forgetting a lot of the role players that made the bulls great. Harper, Kukoc, for example. There are others. I think it would be a 7 game series, not sure who would win.
I'm not forgetting I know all of those guys and remember that team well. A lot would depend of what rules they play by. Illegal defense rules mainly.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:34 am to shel311
Golden State is one of the most fascinating teams of all time. Analytic types think they've broken the code with style of play, but I think that sells the team short. I don't think their style is that scalable to other teams. It sort of requires that you be one of the best shooting teams in history, which they are. A lot of teams jack up a ton of threes, and many of them are terrible. The difference is, Golden State MAKES a lot of threes.
They shot 391 from three, which is ridiculous. The league average is 362. But their spacing does give them a weakness: they are an atrocious rebounding team. I mean, historically bad. They only get 8.4 ORB a game, which is bad, even as the league rate dropped below 10.0 for the first time in league history. On the other end, Golden State allowed 10.8 ORB/game which doesn't sound bad, but it was worst in the NBA.
If you're going to beat the Warriors playing historic matchups, you're not gonna outshoot them. You have to outrebound them and get those extra possessions.
The 80s Lakers, believe it or not, played a lot like these Warriors, though not as extreme. They also were a great shooting team (577 TS%, 516 FG) who were a poor rebounding team for their time (13.7 ORB/game). But they played at an even faster pace than the Warriors did. It's possible the Lakers could out-Warrior the Warriors even without taking as many threes.
But it's the 96 Bulls who cleaned the glass. They had an ORB of 14.3, above league average, and shot well (556 TS%, 508 FG). They turned over the ball less than the Warriors, but also played at a near glacial pace compared to Showtime and the Warriors. But I think the stylistic difference plays to their favor. Trying to outshoot the Splash Brothers borders on insane.
But I think those are the two historic teams with the best shot against the Warriors.
They shot 391 from three, which is ridiculous. The league average is 362. But their spacing does give them a weakness: they are an atrocious rebounding team. I mean, historically bad. They only get 8.4 ORB a game, which is bad, even as the league rate dropped below 10.0 for the first time in league history. On the other end, Golden State allowed 10.8 ORB/game which doesn't sound bad, but it was worst in the NBA.
If you're going to beat the Warriors playing historic matchups, you're not gonna outshoot them. You have to outrebound them and get those extra possessions.
The 80s Lakers, believe it or not, played a lot like these Warriors, though not as extreme. They also were a great shooting team (577 TS%, 516 FG) who were a poor rebounding team for their time (13.7 ORB/game). But they played at an even faster pace than the Warriors did. It's possible the Lakers could out-Warrior the Warriors even without taking as many threes.
But it's the 96 Bulls who cleaned the glass. They had an ORB of 14.3, above league average, and shot well (556 TS%, 508 FG). They turned over the ball less than the Warriors, but also played at a near glacial pace compared to Showtime and the Warriors. But I think the stylistic difference plays to their favor. Trying to outshoot the Splash Brothers borders on insane.
But I think those are the two historic teams with the best shot against the Warriors.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:35 am to TigerStripes06
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Rodman would have Draymond in tears by the end of game 1.
I would even put money on Rodman being able to handle Durant. Rodman was 6-7 guarding 6-10 PF's and 7'0 centers. He was quick, strong, agile. One of, if not the best defenders on the bad boys, and the bulls teams
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:35 am to LSU316
The one thing the 2000 lakers would have is Shaq was a freak of nature and could run the floor very well.
Rice and Thompson are very similar
Lakers
Fisher
Bryant
Rice
Grant
Oneal
Fox
Harper
Horry
Warriors
Curry
Thompson
Ingudola
Durant
Green
West
Livingston
Young
Great matchup
Both teams have two MVP's and multiple all stars.
Rice and Thompson are very similar
Lakers
Fisher
Bryant
Rice
Grant
Oneal
Fox
Harper
Horry
Warriors
Curry
Thompson
Ingudola
Durant
Green
West
Livingston
Young
Great matchup
Both teams have two MVP's and multiple all stars.
Posted on 5/15/18 at 10:38 am to LSU316
quote:Can't sweep Indy and the 76ers, but they'd sweep GS.
The championship Laker teams with Shaq and Kobe would score more points than today's Golden State Warriors in 4 straight games in a playoff series....Voilà sweep!
Seriously lets look at stats....the awesome Golden State Warrior have given up 15 more pts/game than the 99-00 Lakers did. That is huge. The Warriors shoot 3's better statistically but not by as much as you would think (~6%/gm better). This is in today's defensive culture vs the defensive culture of that time. I mean honestly when you look at the stats it even looks like more of chasm.
Ok, sure thing buddy.
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