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re: Most overachieving college football programs
Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:21 pm to SpartyGator
Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:21 pm to SpartyGator
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Michigan isn't a terrible state football talent wise. Some years are better than others but there is good talent that has come out.
And they were arguably one of the richest programs in the country for years.An almost unlimited check book.
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Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:25 pm to TulaneFan
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Virginia Tech - They’ve been consistently good for about 30 years with occasional flashes of greatness
They have been the average at best the last 8 years or so
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Pretty impressive for a school in the middle of nowhere without a lot of local talent
Virginia has tons of in state talent
Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:32 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Virginia has tons of in state talent
I think more than a few great players came from the Virginia Beach area alone plus it's its a growing,prosperous state.
Perhaps he was referring to Blacksburg being in the middle of "nowhere."
Obviously not far from some great talent.
This post was edited on 5/9/21 at 7:33 pm
Posted on 5/9/21 at 7:47 pm to TulaneFan
Iowa
And
Iowa State
And
Iowa State
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:00 pm to RD Dawg
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I think more than a few great players came from the Virginia Beach area alone plus it's its a growing,prosperous state.
Perhaps he was referring to Blacksburg being in the middle of "nowhere."
DC area is producing better talent than 757 now
Can get to Blacksburg in 4 hours from NOVA
Posted on 5/9/21 at 8:13 pm to TulaneFan
North Dakota State
Doesn’t matter that they’re FCS. They’ve done it with multiple coaches in a state and area devoid of skill talent. They don’t cruise through a regular season and get plucked for a Final 4. They have to win multiple playoff games to bring home a title.
Doesn’t matter that they’re FCS. They’ve done it with multiple coaches in a state and area devoid of skill talent. They don’t cruise through a regular season and get plucked for a Final 4. They have to win multiple playoff games to bring home a title.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 9:14 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Syracuse is a dirty little shite city in the middle of Upstate NY cow country. NY state football is terrible so there's really no talent (or fan) base there. With the football landscape being what it is today, I'll be very surprised if they're ever competitive again.
Living here it blows my mind that Syracuse competes in a P5 football conference. It just feels like they don't belong. I know they're really in the ACC because of basketball and lacrosse, but they're not a football school even with their historical accomplishments & players. They're only going to be competitive again if the alumni really pump money into the program and recruit on a national level, or at least compete for signing talent in the Mid-Atlantic area. NYS football talent won't be enough, and it's not like they can look to New England or the Tri-States area for strong recruitment.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 10:14 pm to McVick
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but they're not a football school even with their historical accomplishments & players.
They were in the years prior to the Big East. And they were mostly a solid program during the BE years. They certainly aren't nowadays. Boeheim changed the perception into being a basketball school, along with declining football success.
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They're only going to be competitive again if the alumni really pump money into the program and recruit on a national level, or at least compete for signing talent in the Mid-Atlantic area. NYS football talent won't be enough, and it's not like they can look to New England or the Tri-States area for strong recruitment.
The alumni have never really supported the football program and the University administration hasn't either. The new AD has been better, but football is light years behind other competitive programs for facilities, staffing, etc. SU used to get Mid-Atlantic guys and the PA, CT, NJ talent but the big boys get them now.
Posted on 5/9/21 at 11:48 pm to TulaneFan
Oklahoma
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:06 am to Buckeye Backer
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Garbage list...Michigan and Wisconsin aren’t even the most overachieving in the B1G, which belongs to Northwestern. If you’re going over the last 10 years...I’d say:
1. Northwestern
2. Boise St
3. Cincinnati
4. UCF
5. Army/Navy
Who hired the HC from Boise St? I am still wondering about that hired was worth it for Auburn.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 12:07 am to castorinho
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Oklahoma
On the surface, you would wonder why a school in Oklahoma would be a powerhouse in football over the years, but they have feasted on HS talent from Texas. Hell, lots of kids in Texas are closer to Norman than they are some of the other TX schools.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 6:46 am to TulaneFan
Notre Dame has always been a head scratcher for me. Private Catholic school in Indiana, terrible weather compared to the south and west coast, and in relatively close proximity to other powerhouse programs of the midwest. Although, they're hardly as relevant as they once we're, they still manage to be competitive most years
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:10 am to Northshore Saint
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Notre Dame has always been a head scratcher for me. Private Catholic school in Indiana, terrible weather compared to the south and west coast, and in relatively close proximity to other powerhouse programs of the midwest. Although, they're hardly as relevant as they once we're, they still manage to be competitive most years
Notre Dame's religious affiliation and their 1913 win over Army helped them gain a massive national following in the first half of the 20th century. Location didn't always matter in recruiting like it does now. They were able to recruit anyone they wanted nationally, and the big cities in the Midwest were thriving in that era, as Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland were among the 10 biggest cities in the country.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:12 am to VADawg
Boise State
Posted on 5/10/21 at 7:59 am to starkvingrad
You’re talking about Syracuse the city now compared to when the University had most of their success in the 50s and 60s. It was completely different back then. Same for Detroit, Cleveland, and a host of other Great Lakes cities that have been poop for decades when their productive citizens moved south and west and left the Democrats in charge to ruin them.
Posted on 5/10/21 at 8:38 am to ZZTIGERS
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Kansas St?
This.
They were the worst Division I-A program at one point in the not too distant past. When Snyder got there it was a dead end job with no winning tradition, no history, no fan support, and in a state that doesn't care about football.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 8:41 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:39 am to TulaneFan
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overachieving
Wisconsin belongs on this list. They're No. 8 nationally in wins over the last five years and No. 7 over the last 10 and 15 years. Been one game from the CFP a couple times, too, but the one hurdle is Ohio State, which is everyone's issue in the B1G, anyway.
A program that has, traditionally, recruited in the 30s and 40s should not be a Top-10 program. Wasn't until the last couple classes that Wisconsin, drastically, improved recruiting and even those class rankings would have SEC fans up in arms if their programs were sitting between 25-30.
This post was edited on 5/10/21 at 10:41 am
Posted on 5/10/21 at 10:53 am to VADawg
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Notre Dame's religious affiliation and their 1913 win over Army helped them gain a massive national following in the first half of the 20th century. Location didn't always matter in recruiting like it does now. They were able to recruit anyone they wanted nationally, and the big cities in the Midwest were thriving in that era, as Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, and Cleveland were among the 10 biggest cities in the country
They also had a built in pipeline to all those Catholic HS's throughout the a Midwest and the Northeast and there thousands of them in the 50's,60's and 70's
Posted on 5/10/21 at 11:19 am to RD Dawg
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They also had a built in pipeline to all those Catholic HS's throughout the a Midwest and the Northeast and there thousands of them in the 50's,60's and 70's
Cleveland and Cincinnati, in particular, had (and still have) multiple parochial schools that were Notre Dame pipelines.
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