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re: MLB proposal seeks to eliminate 42 minor league teams
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:12 pm to LSUGrad9295
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:12 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Now how about eliminating a couple major league teams.
Astros eliminated the Yankees
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Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:15 pm to Warheel
The really crazy part is how they want to move a Single A team to Triple A. It also mentions a Triple A team in St. Paul. I could easily see San Antonio moving there. They’d probably have to become Twins feeder. But after a switch, It puts the Brewers Triple A closer to Milwaukee, and rids SA of a team since they haven’t moved closer to building a new ballpark.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 1:52 pm to Warheel
The Baseball America article, linked in the SI article, does a good job of spelling out what this would look like.
I always thought the affiliation relationship was bizarre. Two year contracts don't lead to much partnership. The number of minor league teams being sold and moving around is an indication that the financials aren't working.
I don't understand why MLB / it's owners don't just buy the entire affiliation system.
Tell each MLB owner to go out and buy 4 franchises - AAA, AA, High A, Low A. Those franchises would be part of the major league team. Sign stadium lease agreements, teams can move, etc. Bring everyone involved - from players to ticket sales - under one umbrella. For legal reasons, you could keep each franchise as a seperate LLC or whatever, but each one in the set is owned by the MLB owner. When the MLB team is sold, the minor league teams are sold as well.
Not only would the MLB team have a perm place for their coaches and players to develop, but also their front office people as well.
I always thought the affiliation relationship was bizarre. Two year contracts don't lead to much partnership. The number of minor league teams being sold and moving around is an indication that the financials aren't working.
I don't understand why MLB / it's owners don't just buy the entire affiliation system.
Tell each MLB owner to go out and buy 4 franchises - AAA, AA, High A, Low A. Those franchises would be part of the major league team. Sign stadium lease agreements, teams can move, etc. Bring everyone involved - from players to ticket sales - under one umbrella. For legal reasons, you could keep each franchise as a seperate LLC or whatever, but each one in the set is owned by the MLB owner. When the MLB team is sold, the minor league teams are sold as well.
Not only would the MLB team have a perm place for their coaches and players to develop, but also their front office people as well.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:07 pm to kengel2
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They should add promotion/relegation like soccer
How would this work? Minor league rosters aren't static. My local minor league team does well (wins division) its almost assured they are going to suffer the next yr because the talented players that won duvision have moved up
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:15 pm to fillmoregandt
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They should add promotion/relegation like soccer.
Would love to see this in the NBA especially
would love to see it in college football.
Have your major conferences, and then a mid major conference assigned to each major conference. mid major champ gets to move on up, last two teams from major conference play a "bowl game" to see who gets relegated.
You can only make the playoff if you're from a major conference.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:20 pm to ProjectP2294
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Because of where the leagues are, it would probably have to be double A at least. It would fit nicely in the Texas league
It wouldn’t be double A for the Astros, unless they sell the Hooks. I believe they have a contract through 2025.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:20 pm to TeddyPadillac
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Have your major conferences, and then a mid major conference assigned to each major conference.
No disagreement but you'd have to realign American and C-USA so they can fit with ACC and Big 12.
The others are easy: PAC-12 and Mountain West, SEC and Sun Belt, Big 10 and MAC.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:26 pm to LSUFanHouston
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Tell each MLB owner to go out and buy 4 franchises - AAA, AA, High A, Low A.
I think the Atlanta ownership owns all theirs (or is only one shy of doing so). This makes a lot of sense IF you can get some stability in where the minor league teams are located. We can't even get people in some cities with MLB teams to support the team (Tampa).
Posted on 10/21/19 at 2:35 pm to Quidam65
I am wondering if this will bring back independent teams and leagues...
The Frontier and the Cam-AM League just joined forces...
The Frontier and the Cam-AM League just joined forces...
Posted on 10/21/19 at 3:36 pm to Warheel
They should eliminate the entire Florida State League
Posted on 10/21/19 at 3:51 pm to Warheel
Would like to see where Bham is in the pecking order. We have very high support for our minor league team.
ETA
Would love to have a dream team that actually competes and has MLB talent. Would be great.
ETA
Would love to have a dream team that actually competes and has MLB talent. Would be great.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:04 pm to Vestigial Morgan
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How would this work? Minor league rosters aren't static.
Probably would have to put in transfer windows. Just a set period of time where the teams could move players. Obviously, the dates would be different to match the baseball season. And they could always add/change rules how they see fit.
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My local minor league team does well (wins division) its almost assured they are going to suffer the next yr because the talented players that won duvision have moved up
Well with promotion/relegation, the whole team would move up together.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 4:48 pm to kengel2
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They should add promotion/relegation like soccer.
You would have to kill affiliations, otherwise you get weird shite like three teams in the same ‘Division’. Also, as much as I’d like to see my team in Major League ball, no one is coming here to see a baseball game.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 7:26 pm to TexasTiger08
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The really crazy part is how they want to move a Single A team to Triple A. It also mentions a Triple A team in St. Paul. I could easily see San Antonio moving there
Wait, so the independent American Association St. Paul Saints build up that market, the fans pack the stadium so much that they went out and built a brand new stadium, they do such a good job that MLB is going to plant an affiliate team there and push them out? That's freaking cold blooded.
I'm guessing you guys have never been to a St. Paul Saints game. Years ago they were outdrawing the Twins. That popular. Good time too.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:02 pm to SoDakHawk
I think we have nine teams here in NC across four classifications. I wonder how the minor league landscape would look here if this goes through. Fayetteville just opened a brand new stadium for the Astros high A team but the team is owned by the Astros.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 8:33 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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Also sounds like short season A ball, such as the New York Penn League, will be toast.
Reading the article it mentions nothing about the NY/Penn League, which after jacking away multiple small town America teams into NYC probably deserves to die.
It did say the short season NWL would be safe, but convertEd into a full season league. Holy cow April will suck. Plus the NWL should add four teams: Bellingham, Olympia, Bend, and Medford. 3 of the 4 being former NWL cities that since have had recent population booms.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:00 pm to SoDakHawk
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Wait, so the independent American Association St. Paul Saints build up that market, the fans pack the stadium so much that they went out and built a brand new stadium, they do such a good job that MLB is going to plant an affiliate team there and push them out? That's freaking cold blooded.
That's exactly what happened in Portland in the 1970s.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:04 pm to Warheel
I don't see the problem of having the draft toward the end of the college season. The season for most prospects is completed anyway. What's the difference if some are still playing for a couple of weeks?
A June draft allows teams to get a 6 week-2 month look at the prospects; moving it pushes evaluation back a season.
Heck, it's the only league that has its draft during its own season and no one seems to have a problem with that.
A June draft allows teams to get a 6 week-2 month look at the prospects; moving it pushes evaluation back a season.
Heck, it's the only league that has its draft during its own season and no one seems to have a problem with that.
Posted on 10/21/19 at 9:29 pm to Overbrook
I worked in the front office of a Pioneer League team for a summer.
Tens of fans at every game.
Made $25 per home game and lived off Totinos pizza and off-brand fruity pebbles. Oh and game day work consisted of 8AM to midnight.
Had to supplement my income by washing dishes at a local hotel bar.
Lived in a studio apartment with a pitcher (who went on to pitch in the big leagues for a couple years before ruining his career by speaking out against the org). Pretty sure I made more money than him.
Anywho, yea... pretty much everybody on the team hated their life that summer and they won the league championship.
Got a ring out of it.
I had $3k saved up from college going in to summer and left with $30 to my name after booking my flight home.
I’d still do it all over again.
Tens of fans at every game.
Made $25 per home game and lived off Totinos pizza and off-brand fruity pebbles. Oh and game day work consisted of 8AM to midnight.
Had to supplement my income by washing dishes at a local hotel bar.
Lived in a studio apartment with a pitcher (who went on to pitch in the big leagues for a couple years before ruining his career by speaking out against the org). Pretty sure I made more money than him.
Anywho, yea... pretty much everybody on the team hated their life that summer and they won the league championship.
Got a ring out of it.
I had $3k saved up from college going in to summer and left with $30 to my name after booking my flight home.
I’d still do it all over again.
This post was edited on 10/21/19 at 9:31 pm
Posted on 10/21/19 at 11:34 pm to kengel2
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They should add promotion/relegation like soccer.
This could never work.
1. Organizations have 1 Triple a and 1 double a team. If you’re double A affiliate wins the league title, they move up and now you have two triple a affiliates?
2. The geographic spread is uneven. For example, the 3 Double A leagues are the Texas League, Southern League, and Eastern League. If Modesto wins the California League, which double a do the join?
3. Travel and schedule logistics would be damn near impossible to figure out.
4. You can’t promote an entire ballclub unless you are going to raise their salary.
5. Major league organizations care more about player development than winning when it comes to the minors.
I could go on...but the minor league baseball structure is not set up for this.
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