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re: Mickey Mantle hit a ball 565 feet

Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:01 pm to
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:01 pm to
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Toward the end of the second game, Sheridan whacked a fastball, thrown right down Broadway by the Seals’ Ted Shandor, over the left center-field fence at Edmonds Field. Solon ballboy Gary McDowell, sitting in the dugout, remembers it started as a frozen rope that might have been snagged if the shortstop had been a foot taller. He said when it flew over the 356-foot mark of the barricade it continued up on an incline, heading toward the Sierra Nevada Mountains.1 Solon third baseman, Eddie Bockman, who also watched it that night, concurred, saying, “I never saw one still going up as it left the ballpark, until that point.”2

Everyone in the ballpark who witnessed the blast knew it was one for the ages. But not until the next day did they appreciate the distance


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Pat Kelly—told him after last night’s game he found the rear window of his automobile had been demolished and inside on the rear bench seat was a baseball. When Kelly spied the baseball and a seat full of shattered glass, he presumed it to be the work of the titanic Sheridan shot. When asked where his car was parked, Kelly told them on Burnett Way, which was beyond the left-field wall and the Solons parking lot. Sheridan and his teammates were stunned.


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Dave Kelley (no relation), the team’s publicist, had Kelly show him the spot where the car had been parked and he then stepped off the distance. The publicist charged into the Solons’ offices and reported to team president Eddie Mulligan that he’d come up with 600-plus feet. Mulligan ordered groundskeeper Horace Smith to get his tape measure and together the trio met on the other side of the left-field wall at the spot where they gauged the ball left the park. From there they marched across the parking lot on a diagonal line until they came to the place where Kelly’s car had been parked on Burnett Way. They came up with an additional 294 feet beyond the outfield fence. Which meant the ball traveled an approximate distance of 620 feet


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It’s clear that the ebullient team officials then reported their findings to the local beat writers, because on Friday, July 10, both papers picked up on the distance of Sheridan’s blast, reporting it was the longest home run ever measured, surpassing Babe Ruth’s 600-foot clout struck in a spring training game in Tampa, Florida, April 4, 1919.8 The writers also dutifully noted that it traveled much farther than the 565-foot home run clubbed by Mickey Mantle out of Washington’s Griffith Stadium in April.


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Train and Muir together measured the distance using a standard surveyor’s steel tape with another member of their firm there to certify their findings. (Muir was the firm’s civil engineer and Train the land surveyor.) When the assignment was finished, they arrived at a slightly shorter, though more precise measurement of 613.8 feet.


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Finally, on Monday, July 13, when the Union reported the Muir & Train measurement of 613.8 feet, the article also noted that an unnamed Solons’ parking lot attendant “heard the impact of shattered glass when the epic circuit clout soared over the left-field wall and entered Kelly’s parked auto by way of the rear window.”16 That doesn’t prove that Kelly’s vehicle was parked on Burnett Way, however, it does lend credence to his story. On July 14 Muir & Train produced a letter and a notarized Plat of Survey verifying that the exact distance amounted to 613.80 feet (where “corrections have been made in standard tape length at a temperature of 68 degrees F.”).17 With the notarized documents, Sheridan’s feat had been certified to be the longest home run ever recorded.


Interesting read with regards to conditions that night
Posted by msudawg1200
Central Mississippi
Member since Jun 2014
10860 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:01 pm to
Mantle could hit whether it was 1957, 1967, 2007, or 2017. He could hit now, then, whenever period. I'm not arguing his 565 foot home run. I believe that to be bogus. But to say guys like Mantle, Mays, Aaron, FRob couldn't play in today's game is pure BS.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:02 pm to
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Off a cliff?


LOL. Heard he owned a blue ox too
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39415 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:03 pm to
That's another presumption that is so prevalent in this thread.

It is documented that Ruth ordered bats weighing between 40 and 47-ounces in his 1920 season...when by 1923 he was mostly using a 43-ounce bat. When Ruth switched to 35 inch bats it is noted that they were 40-ounce bats after 1925.

Ruth's model was 36-inches in length.

"I then began experimenting with the length, and found out what I should have known all along that I could do better with a shorter bat. So I switched to 35 inches and sometimes slightly less in the twelve or 13 years that followed". He then says he continued to "use heavy bats", never going to anything under 40-ounces till the last two years of his career when he favored bats 37 to 38-ounces. (He did in fact use lighter bats, 35 to 39-ounces, from 1929 till the end of his career.)
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:04 pm to
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Mantle could hit whether it was 1957, 1967, 2007, or 2017. He could hit now, then, whenever period. I'm not arguing his 565 foot home run. I believe that to be bogus. But to say guys like Mantle, Mays, Aaron, FRob couldn't play in today's game is pure BS.


Nobody said that. I don't think Ruth could play today as he was then(no access to today's advances). I sure as shite don't think he's turning around a 98 mph fastball with a 46 oz bat either
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39415 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:08 pm to
And you can't just use faulty logic like:

X player used a 40-ounce bat; Y player today doesn't use a 40-ounce bat; therefore pitching was bad when X player played.
Posted by Rakim
Member since Nov 2015
9954 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:14 pm to
Babe Ruth could be a pitcher today. He probably threw about 85 mph from the left with zero training or technique.

ETA: Babes the greatest to every play the game.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 2:16 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44894 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:15 pm to
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LOL. Heard he owned a blue ox too


No, but he did beat an Arabian horse in a race, between games, that same day.
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5637 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:19 pm to
I have a hard time believing Babe Ruth couldn't play today. He was just so far beyond everyone else at the time. I mean, he twice hit more homers than any other team in the AL by himself.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54782 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:28 pm to
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. I mean, he twice hit more homers than any other team in the AL by himself.
I guess so, you could drop any LSU pitcher into the 1920s and they'd be the ace
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:32 pm to
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But to say guys like Mantle, Mays, Aaron, FRob couldn't play in today's game is pure BS.

It's really not, though. He hit against the competition he played. Pitchers throw harder and are, quite frankly, just a lot better than they were when Mantle played, top to bottom. I don't argue that Mantle wasn't possibly every bit as talented as players are today, but he did not face pitchers of today nor did he have the training players of today do. So you couldn't just plug and play him in a lineup and expect to see him perform like he did in the 50s
Posted by lsufball19
Franklin, TN
Member since Sep 2008
73365 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:36 pm to
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X player used a 40-ounce bat; Y player today doesn't use a 40-ounce bat; therefore pitching was bad when X player played.



no one is turning around a 98 mph fastball with a 46 oz. bat unless they started swinging before the ball leaves the pitcher's hand. it means pitchers didn't throw as hard. there's a reason players don't swing heavy bats like that today
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 2:37 pm
Posted by Pfft
Member since Jul 2014
5071 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 2:52 pm to
Young dweebs don't know dick, Mantle and Ruth would pound the ball a mile and then pound your momma's after the game.
Dirt nasty was them boys.
I just turned 86 and these punks now ain't chit.
Posted by 5 Deep
Crawford Boxes
Member since Jul 2010
24538 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:06 pm to
I haven't finished reading the whole thread but it would be a damn shame if we let this gem from Schmelly be forgotten

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Babe Ruth wouldn't make a roster today lol


Posted by Alt26
Member since Mar 2010
35603 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:08 pm to
I think these are fun discussions to have, but I find it hard to believe that Mantle actually hit a HR 565 feet. Sorry. Sportswriters of that era and before were great storytellers. Making baseball stars (the biggest pro sport in the US at that time) seem like mythological greek gods.

A lot of the accounts of these titanic blast were from sportwriters with no actual video evidence to back up the claims. Watching Judge crush balls last night and not really even come close to 565 makes you think those claims about Mantle are more hyperbole than fact.

You also get the argument that the HR derby shots are off of BP pitching vs. live game pitching. To that, I think of the HR Bonds hit in the 2002 World Series. The top power hitter in baseball, at the peak of his "alleged" steroid use, turns around a 96 mph fastball and sends it an estimated....485 feet. Watching that blast and thinking someone who was less than the physical specimen that Bonds was (artificial or not) hit a ball roughly 80 feet further seems a bit unbelievable.

Further? ok. 80 feet further? I just don't buy it
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:10 pm to
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Mantle could hit whether it was 1957, 1967, 2007, or 2017. He could hit now, then, whenever period.


I think if Mantle played today, he'd be Mike Trout. But he didnt, he played in an era that didn't have the advantages of today. That's the whole point.


Mick in the 60s = got by on just talent.
If you could transport a 25 year old mick in time and insert him into a game right now, he'd get emabarrassed. Transport a newborn Mick & Give him the resources of today, he's The Mick. It's 2 different arguments

BUT THATS NOT THE POINT. All we're talking about is a 6'0" 190lb guy with elite talent hitting balls 60-100 feet further than 6'4" 240 lbs guys with the same elite talent, that's been cultivated exponentially more that are also stronger, and hitting balls moving 10mph faster. That's it
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 3:12 pm
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5637 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:10 pm to
That's not my point. He was facing the same competition as hundreds of other guys and he was exponentially better than all of them. He was a freak of nature playing among the best (white) baseball players the county had to offer at the time.
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:17 pm to
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That's not my point. He was facing the same competition as hundreds of other guys and he was exponentially better than all of them. He was a freak of nature playing among the best (white) baseball players the county had to offer at the time.


I'll agree that the disparity between him and everyone else was bigger than any athlete in any sport ever. But that alone doesn't translate to today.

Look, we need to make 1 thing clear on these endless arguments
People like babe inserted "as is" into today, they get laughed at
If you wanna insert them in after getting a lifetime dose of today's advantages, then you have a better argument.

To me, Babe's time would be like me joining a 12 year old LL team. Mick's time was A LOT more comparable to today
Posted by Schmelly
Member since Jan 2014
16165 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:20 pm to
Here's an idea...Flip the script.

Insert Albert Pujols, age 20, into 1920s yankee lineup...
Know what we're talking about today? We're talking about "The Great Alberto" and that George guy that was pretty good too
Posted by HogX
Madison, WI
Member since Dec 2012
5637 posts
Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:22 pm to
Yep. And we'd be having the debate today whether or not Pujols would be able to make it in today's game.
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