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re: Mickey Mantle hit a ball 565 feet

Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:25 pm to
Posted by Schmelly
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:25 pm to
He gets transported with today's said advantages. He doesn't eat hot dogs and beer on the train to Brooklyn
Posted by sugar71
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:25 pm to
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And Bob Beamon's record stood for 25 years before it was broken (by 2 measly inches)...and Jesse Owens own long-jump record stood for 25 years before it was broken.


Bob Beamon's Olympic record still stands 50 years later & despite the birth of many superhumans since then only Powell eclipsed him in 1991.


Owens ran on a slow cinder / dirt track without a starting block( 3 point stance).

Posted by brgfather129
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:49 pm to
My favorite is when they double-down and start claiming Mantle was hitting them 500+ from both sides of the plate.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:51 pm to
Like this???

Kind of seems like he did hit 500 from both sides.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 3:54 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 3:59 pm to
734 foot homerun?

That website seems reliable.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:00 pm to
It is a estimate just as all home runs are. He hit the façade of Yankee Stadium.

I mean the biggest HR I ever saw was the Canseco homer in Toronto during 89 playoffs, that hit the next to last seat and it was called less than what Judge did last night. They said it only went 480.
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:03 pm
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:06 pm to
734 feet.

Here we are questioning a 565ft hr, and you bring us evidence of a 734ft hr from a website called themick.

Just a teeny bit skeptical.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:09 pm to
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So how do we get 734 feet? In the example above, we assumed that the ball was at its apex when it struck the façade. However, observers were unanimous in their opinion that the ball was still rising when it hit the façade. How do we determine how high the ballMickey Mantle of the New York Yankees crushes a left-handed home run at Yankee Stadium in New York. would have gone? In fact, we cannot. From this point forward all numbers become guesses, estimates of how high we think the ball might have gone. A conservative estimate would be 20 feet. Those 20 feet make a major difference. They cause our calculation to go up almost 100 feet, to the 734 foot number listed above. Is 20 feet a fair estimate? Those present when the ball was hit feel that it would have gone at least that much higher, and many feel that the 20 foot number is far too low. It is all just a guess



As I said it is an estimate.
Posted by ThePTExperience1969
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:10 pm to
Who doesn't love these hypos that require complete recontextualization of eras and are therefore impossible to predict?
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:10 pm to
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I think these are fun discussions to have, but I find it hard to believe that Mantle actually hit a HR 565 feet. Sorry. Sportswriters of that era and before were great storytellers. Making baseball stars (the biggest pro sport in the US at that time) seem like mythological greek gods.

A lot of the accounts of these titanic blast were from sportwriters with no actual video evidence to back up the claims. Watching Judge crush balls last night and not really even come close to 565 makes you think those claims about Mantle are more hyperbole than fact.



just a couple of things about Mantle's HR, -

-it hit a beer sign as it left the stadium, 460 feet from the plate, and 60 feet vertically

-the ball was found in someone's yard which was 565 feet from home plate, it could have rolled some, but the yard did have a fence

-there were 20 mph winds that day, with gusts has high as 40 mph

-those who have studied the trajectory have believe that ball traveled at least 535 feet in the air

Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:11 pm to
Here is a video of a homerun derby head to head contest between Harmon Killebrew and Mickey Mantle in 1959:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JAMbwIiV80

Anybody who thinks these guys can crush them out of the ballpark 52 feet further than Aaron Judge's furthest homerun last night is smoking crack.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:13 pm to
My grandfather swore up and down that Mantle was the best player ever. I think he was bias since his store delivered groceries to him in Joplin.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:14 pm to
No shite it's an estimate. But it's an estimate that calls into question the legitimacy of the entire website.

You brought evidence to the table of 500ft HRs from both sides of the plate, from a website that claims Mantle hit a 734ft HR. Alarm bells should be ringing.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:14 pm to
Oh now we are using Home Run Derby filmed at Wrigley Field in LA as evidence? You know those were filmed during the December and January?
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:16 pm to
I don't think you should be calling out anyone's evidence.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:16 pm to
Okay, so if you hit a ball that hits 110 ft above ground that is 370 ft away while still rising, do you not think it would go that far?


I mean I get you want to dog Mantle, that is fine. But just because someone did something better than Judge does not discount it entirely.
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

Kind of seems like he did hit 500 from both sides.




That website...
Posted by PrimeTime Money
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:17 pm to
quote:

Oh now we are using Home Run Derby filmed at Wrigley Field in LA as evidence? You know those were filmed during the December and January?
You don't like it because it's devastating to your case.

We have actual video of Mickey Mantle competing in a homerun derby, and you are trying to discredit it
This post was edited on 7/11/17 at 4:19 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:17 pm to
Devastating? No just pointing out when the show was made.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
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Posted on 7/11/17 at 4:18 pm to
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I mean the biggest HR I ever saw was the Canseco homer in Toronto during 89 playoffs, that hit the next to last seat and it was called less than what Judge did last night. They said it only went 480.


I believe you are talking about Jose's shot in '89 playoffs, it only went 480 feet because the were in the Skydome. He hits that same homerun in Wrigley Field it is gone to travel much further because it is out of the stadium and the ball will be able travel back down to ground level.
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