- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: McShay's top five for the '14 NFL Draft
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:34 am to tduecen
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:34 am to tduecen
quote:if teams need a QB, they need to know getting an Andy dalton in the 2nd is the best case scenario. Would you rather "overdraft" a player like tannehill, or be sitting in cinci this am wondering if dalton will always limit your team? To think just using a 2nd rounder to address a need like QB will fix the problem is naive at best
QB with its second pick
It's pretty simple: the most skilled, most likely guys to be big time QBs go in the first round. Wait til the 2nd-4th and the road is littered with chad hennes, Tyler Wilsons, Brock Osweilers, and geno smiths. Even if you do it the lottery with a Russ Wilson, they will have a huge flaw, which is why they fell in the first place.
It's my opinion you should use the high pick on a QB if you need one. If it doesn't work out, it's not the contractual albatross it once was, so you move on. Getting a high level QB foundation piece is the name of the game in the NFL
2
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:34 am to tduecen
quote:
Why would anyone take a RB in the first?
Because the Browns have 2 first rounders. Plus you might not have the chance to draft him in the 2nd/3rd round. The Browns just need a few playmakers, if you feel like a Carlos Hyde is what you need to get you there, you take him. I honestly feel like a Watkins/Hyde 1st round combo would be amazing for the Browns!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:36 am to Buckeye Backer
Homerism.... They need offensive line help to a degree, along with a QB. The draft is deep at WR they may be able to grab Landry, Matthews, Beckham or another in the 3rd/4th round along with a RB. Go OLine, QB, RB, WR, DL in draft and they should be fine
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:38 am to molsusports
quote:
I know people always take QBs high but geez the risk on them failing would just drive me nuts if I were a general manager. Rightly or wrongly I have the sense an offensive tackle or speed rusher is easier to grade out and project at the next level.
I just think it's really, really hard (if not impossible) to win a super bowl without having a "franchise qb". Yes you can take safe picks year after year and build your lines but until you get that qb you are just stuck in the mud.
I would personally try and find "my" qb if I am one of the teams that have a top 10 pick year after year. If that means drafting a QB every two years bc the guy I picked isn't panning out then so be it.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 8:39 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:40 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:Good thing you are not an NFL GM. Hyde is not a 2nd Rd tailback and the Browns need to hit a homerun at the QB position.
I honestly feel like a Watkins/Hyde 1st round combo would be amazing for the Browns!
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:41 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
quote:
It's pretty simple: the most skilled, most likely guys to be big time QBs go in the first round.
Tell that to that guy in New England. Finding a franchise QB later that the 1st is hardly unprecedented
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:i think they're both in the eyelash-under-6'2 range
RG3 was taller
quote:he is, but I think it's been more of a disadvantage bc he always wants to run and now he keeps getting hurt (like he did it college)
a lot faster
disclaimer: I am a complete seller on RG3-10.
quote:I think he's colt McCoy 2.0. Not big enough, not enough arm. Collegiately profound, but I think there's a big reason he stayed in college 5 years
Aaron Murray
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:47 am to Starchild
Bortles is the best QB in this draft
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:49 am to Starchild
quote:you can win the lottery and become a billionaire... But it's not sound financial planning. Brady is the outlier- a complete anomaly. Truth is there's 15 QBs a year who don't pan out in the draft. If you think you can just stick it out and find a diamond in rough to take you to the Super Bowl, you're going to get a lot more dan orlovskys than tommy bradysquote:Tell that to that guy in New England. Finding a franchise QB later that the 1st is hardly unprecedented
It's pretty simple: the most skilled, most likely guys to be big time QBs go in the first round.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:50 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
Exactly what I see with Murray but with coming off an ACL tear
Posted on 1/6/14 at 8:52 am to hiltacular
quote:
I just think it's really, really hard (if not impossible) to win a super bowl without having a "franchise qb".
last 6 SB winners (QB):
1. Flacco
2. Eli
3. Rogers
4. Brees
5. Roth
6. Eli
battin about 50/50. Eli and Flacco are "franchise QBs" b/c they won super bowls, not b/c of their performances over their careers
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:22 am to JBeam
Clowney to the Raiders, never to be heard from again.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:42 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
he drafted fricking tim tebow....let's not rush to judgment
Lombardi is the personnel guy in Cleveland, not the coach
The problem with Manziel as I see it:
If you dont have a strong arm, you better be accurate (Brees, Manning)
if you arent consistently accurate but have a cannon, you better be athletic (Kaep) or have some deep threats to throw to (Flacco, Stafford)
Manziel doesnt have a strong arm and he is inconsistent with his accuracy. That is a pretty shitty combination.
Other key questions
Does he come in early and stay late? Is he the kind of guy to put the time in and get better?
Bortles and Gabbert are not a good comparison. Bortles is smart and fearless and has huge upside for development. He just needs reps. Gabbert was pretty much tapped out in college with his development and once he lost his confidence he is shot.
I remember hearing on a NFL podcast with Dilfer where he said the difference between the college game and the pro game for QBs (besides the obvious speed and defensive complexities) is a college QB will be in a clean pocket the overwhelming majority of the time. In the NFL the QB has people in his face, on his sides, at his feet and hitting him on pretty much every play. That is the single biggest adjustment for a college QB. If they cant make the reads and throws consistently in college with much lower pressures and expectations, they wont magically be able to do it in the NFL
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:45 am to supatigah
quote:
Manziel doesnt have a strong arm
Of all the judgements against him,this is completely false
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:49 am to hehateme2285
Agreed, the two things that hurt Manziel are his height & durability.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:49 am to hehateme2285
quote:
Of all the judgements against him,this is completely false
he was eaten alive by the wind in Tiger Stadium. Mett had no problem throwing in the wind. Manziel was useless throwing the football for two quarters of the game.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:50 am to Buckeye Backer
quote:
The Browns should draft Sammy Watkins with the 4th and take Carlos Hyde with the 22nd pick. Draft a QB in round 2/3 and let Hoyer get the oppurtunity to start. By adding Watkins, you move Greg Little to 3rd WR. That would be a nice 4some of Josh Gordon, Sammy Watkins, Greg Little and TE Jordan Cameron. Then you would have the power running back of Carlos Hyde and the off speed back of Dion Lewis. The Browns have the 2nd most money available in cap space, use that money to shore up the Oline and defense. Despite the record, the Browns arent as far away as most think. They led the first 7 games of the year at halftime. Now we just need a freaking head coach!!!
Unless it's AP, why would you ever take a running back in the first round?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 9:51 am to Starchild
quote:
Tell that to that guy in New England. Finding a franchise QB later that the 1st is hardly unprecedented
Jeez, you suffer from extreme survivor bias.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:you could argue Rothlisberger is a "franchise" QB bc of the SB's he's won as well
battin about 50/50. Eli and Flacco are "franchise QBs" b/c they won super bowls, not b/c of their performances over their careers
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:05 am to supatigah
quote:
he was eaten alive by the wind in Tiger Stadium. Mett had no problem throwing in the wind. Manziel was useless throwing the football for two quarters of the game.
He played the final 2 games injured. He's going to test out huge at the combine. The only knock on him is his size, which also leads to durability questions
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 10:06 am
Page 5 of 9
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News