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re: McShay's top five for the '14 NFL Draft
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
Yeah, all the other first round backs suck!
Signed,
Marshawn Lynch
Steven Jackson
Chris Johnson
Larry Johnson
Willis McGahee
Deangelo Williams
Etc.
You have a point somewhat, but none of those guys are recent in the past five years except Johnson.
Look at 2013 class…had huge impact guys like Lacy, Bernard, Ball all drafted in 2-3 round. Then had Stacy and Ellington also have solid seasons after being grabbed late.
Give me Sankey or Carey in the second-third round and I'll be happy
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:12 pm to Flash_Gordon
The only reason I think they should consider take Watkins is that he's special. Hes so explosive and I think hell br making plays for a long time in the league. The insurance reason is stupid.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:14 pm to Ed Wuncler III
I agree he has enormous upside……but what good does two superstar WRs do you without a QB or OL to protect you or a RB to create balance.
Like someone already said, if this was a Megatron type guy, then I'd say yeah. But it makes way too much sense to draft an immediate need, then grab a WR in the second round or so. Or third.
Like someone already said, if this was a Megatron type guy, then I'd say yeah. But it makes way too much sense to draft an immediate need, then grab a WR in the second round or so. Or third.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:16 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
Yeah, all the other first round backs suck!
Youre missing the point entirely. Its not that the 1st rounders will bust, its that there is no value for them there. Unless you are AP, there will be 4-5 comparable backs to that guy you select in the 1st that can be had in the middle rounds while you use that 1st rounder on an impact position like OL, QB, Pass rusher etc that have a clear difference in talent in later rounds.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:18 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
When will people learn this?
Meh, most of the good players at any position were drafted in a higher round. I know you are going to point out Alfred Morris, but plenty of players slip through the cracks at any position. RB is no different. The vast majority of the top running backs are high picks.
2013 Rushing Leaders:
McCoy - 2
Forte - 2
Charles - 3
Morris - 6
Peterson - 1
Lynch - 1
Mathews - 1
Lacy - 2
Gore - 3
Murray - 3
2013 Passing Leaders (I decided to roll with passer rating):
Foles - 3
Manning - 1
McCown - 3
Rivers - 1
Rodgers - 1
Brees - 2
Wilson - 3
Romo - Undrafted
Roethlisberger - 1
Kaepernick - 2
So Romo and Morris slipped through the cracks. Also, I am sure you will notice Brady is not on this list. It is fair to say he is a top QB.
But more importantly, how often are you going to find a quality workhorse RB outside of the first two or three rounds?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:20 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
In todays league you dont really need a workhorse to be successful
ETA and of the 1st round backs on your list, Lynch was a huge disappointment until he was traded to seattle, and Matthews was a big disappointment until this season. AP is a beast of course. I dont see the value as a drafting team in those guys (outside of AP) when you could have all the other guys on your list in the 2nd and 3rd round
ETA and of the 1st round backs on your list, Lynch was a huge disappointment until he was traded to seattle, and Matthews was a big disappointment until this season. AP is a beast of course. I dont see the value as a drafting team in those guys (outside of AP) when you could have all the other guys on your list in the 2nd and 3rd round
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:21 pm to wildtigercat93
Yeah, if you have a stud QB.
There are not enough Philip Rivers to go around.
There are not enough Philip Rivers to go around.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:23 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
Read my eta 
Youre mistaking me saying "get a runningback in the 6th round because of morris" i never said that. Get your runningbacks in the 2-3 round
Youre mistaking me saying "get a runningback in the 6th round because of morris" i never said that. Get your runningbacks in the 2-3 round
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:32 pm to wildtigercat93
My point is that you get pretty much all of your good players in the first three rounds, regardless of position (excluding punters and the like).
I agree you do not pass up on a Julius Peppers type freak for a RB. However, if you are picking at 20 or so, then go ahead. I just would avoid the RB when there are super talents out there. Not when it comes down to Chris Johnson or the fourth-best LT at pick 23.
I agree you do not pass up on a Julius Peppers type freak for a RB. However, if you are picking at 20 or so, then go ahead. I just would avoid the RB when there are super talents out there. Not when it comes down to Chris Johnson or the fourth-best LT at pick 23.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:36 pm to Flash_Gordon
I sad earlier that with the second pick they should get an OL or defensive playmaker so I agree thats a good option too. They need to be patient about getting a qb the like as well as a rb
Posted on 1/6/14 at 2:36 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
I agree you do not pass up on a Julius Peppers type freak for a RB. However, if you are picking at 20 or so, then go ahead. I just would avoid the RB when there are super talents out there. Not when it comes down to Chris Johnson or the fourth-best LT at pick 23.
Well there have been some very very good pass rushers and corners at the end of the first usually.
My my view is distorted by the difference in picking Laurence Marooney at 27 and Chandler Jones at the same spot a couple years later but thats how i see it
and i think nfl teams do too based on the way last year shook down with no first round backsPosted on 1/6/14 at 2:48 pm to wildtigercat93
My view is the other way around because, well, the greatest RB since Sanders.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:01 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
To be honest, the Browns would probably be wise to try and trade their pick. They have a few holes and there are depth at those positions, so why not try and get more picks to help fill those positions?
ETA: If there is no sure fire prospect in a position of need for the Browns at that position.
ETA: If there is no sure fire prospect in a position of need for the Browns at that position.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 1/6/14 at 3:10 pm to dlmast87
quote:
If Watkins is available at #4 and the browns don't take him I'll be pretty pissed. I'll be even more livid if they spend it on JFF. Get Watkins as insurance against Gordon's dumb pot smoking arse. He's one doobie away from being gone for the year. If they insist on drafting JFF then use the late first round pick. I think he'll still be there. Draft a RB in the second round to compliment Dion Lewis.
So you want the browns to be like the Lions and keep drafting skill players at #4? T Rich sucks. Watkins was inconsistent until late this year. Plus Watkins was suspended from his team too.
Browns need a QB in the worst way. yall wanna stay shitty? Stick with mediocre QBs.
If the browns were smart they'd draft the best QB available at #4, then draft another one in either the 4th or 5th round.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 4:34 pm to JBeam
I disagree on the Texans picking Bridgewater. Everyone else in the world knows Bridgewater is not top 10 value, so why would the Texans somehow come up with something different? There are about 5 other players that I would take before Bridgewater.
Matthews
Clowney
A defensive back
A different OL
A LB
Matthews
Clowney
A defensive back
A different OL
A LB
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:02 pm to tiggerthetooth
quote:knowing what we know now, where would you draft russell wilson?
I disagree on the Texans picking Bridgewater. Everyone else in the world knows Bridgewater is not top 10 value
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:03 pm to wildtigercat93
quote:
Youre missing the point entirely. Its not that the 1st rounders will bust, its that there is no value for them there. Unless you are AP, there will be 4-5 comparable backs to that guy you select in the 1st that can be had in the middle rounds while you use that 1st rounder on an impact position like OL, QB, Pass rusher etc that have a clear difference in talent in later rounds.
you can say this about any position
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:05 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
in this draft they'd be crazy not to take wilson #1
Posted on 1/6/14 at 6:45 pm to BenDover
quote:teddy is essentially a taller russell wilson. hes not sexy b/c he has great intangibles, which by definition are hard to measure.
n this draft they'd be crazy not to take wilson #1
Posted on 1/6/14 at 7:05 pm to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
The browns need to solidify the offensive line, get a rb, and another wr. Let's give hoyer a chance when he recovers from injury if it doesn't work out they can get jameis Winston next year or maybe Bret hundley from UCLA.
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