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re: McShay's top five for the '14 NFL Draft
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:06 am to wildtigercat93
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:06 am to wildtigercat93
I think it all boils down to what the Texans do
If Texans pick some one other than Bridgewater, i see teams behind the rams, salivating to give them picks for him, to move up.
Rams would love to have Mathews, but there are really good OT's out there. And if Cleveland offers their 2 picks, Rams would have 3 1st rounders, really giving them a chance to fill needs.
And with rookie contracts, you dont wince having 3 1st rounders, high, low, doesnt matter. No more 12Mil per deals to a player who hasnt done a farking thing in the league!
If Texans pick some one other than Bridgewater, i see teams behind the rams, salivating to give them picks for him, to move up.
Rams would love to have Mathews, but there are really good OT's out there. And if Cleveland offers their 2 picks, Rams would have 3 1st rounders, really giving them a chance to fill needs.
And with rookie contracts, you dont wince having 3 1st rounders, high, low, doesnt matter. No more 12Mil per deals to a player who hasnt done a farking thing in the league!
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Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:18 am to SeeeeK
I could see it being a similar situation to when the browns traded up to get TRich with the Vikings and the Vikings still got Kalil. The Rams will trade back and still get Matthews and gain a pick or two in the process.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:21 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
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It's pretty simple: the most skilled, most likely guys to be big time QBs go in the first round. Wait til the 2nd-4th and the road is littered with chad hennes, Tyler Wilsons, Brock Osweilers, and geno smiths. Even if you do it the lottery with a Russ Wilson, they will have a huge flaw, which is why they fell in the first place.
Not saying you're wrong, but half the QBs left in the playoffs were drafted in the second round or later.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:46 am to JBeam
quote:i freaking hate this criticism. He didn't miss a game bc of injury in his college career, in the SEC!! Say he's too short, or say he's too light bc the guy has proven to be durable
Agreed, the two things that hurt Manziel are his height & durability.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:54 am to Wayne Campbell
quote:and half were taken in the top 4 overall, including 3 #1s. Wilson and kaep are on teams built to play defense and run the football. Brady is an anomaly 6th rd QB and drew Brees went 32nd overall, which would be first round in today's draft. There are a lot more drew stantons than Christian ponders
Not saying you're wrong, but half the QBs left in the playoffs were drafted in the second round or later.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:58 am to SeeeeK
quote:the lambs only have one hole-- THEIR QB!!! They are the only team in the league who doesn't need clowney. They don't need to trade back, they need to do whatever it takes to find a QB. Bradford has had his chance, he's awful
Rams would have 3 1st rounders, really giving them a chance to fill need
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 10:59 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 10:59 am to LSUTIGER in TEXAS
JFF needs to get drafted by someone who has a veteran QB where he can sit on the bench a year or two and learn. I still believe that had Tebow not been pressed into service so soon, he'd still be in the league.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:14 am to supatigah
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he was eaten alive by the wind in Tiger Stadium. Mett had no problem throwing in the wind. Manziel was useless throwing the football for two quarters of the game.
didnt he have a hurt throwing hand?
as for his accuracy, he completed 68% and 69% of his passes the last 2 years after throwing the ball over 800 times. As a Rs FR and SOPH.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:15 am to lsu5803tiger
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If Norv is staying in Cleveland, JFF would be a horrible fit for his offense. I could see Bortles becoming the second coming of Gabbert.
THIS. Manziel needs an offense that's going to be west coast and not so vertical. Think Gruden, Seahawks with Wilson, or Andy Reid.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:23 am to SlowFlowPro
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last 6 SB winners (QB):
1. Flacco
2. Eli
3. Rogers
4. Brees
5. Roth
6. Eli
battin about 50/50. Eli and Flacco are "franchise QBs" b/c they won super bowls, not b/c of their performances over their careers
But they're better than the fringe guys have been that everybody says you can get in the 2nd-3rd round. For example, they're better than the Geno Smith's and Andy Daltons. (I know the stats, don't care)
Eli was pretty damn good before this year.
Flacco had an elite year last year, especially in the playoffs. It was QB play, and QB play alone that helped the Ravens beat the Broncos in the playoffs. The Aaron Murrays of the world will not get you over this hump.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:26 am to supatigah
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Manziel doesnt have a strong arm and he is inconsistent with his accuracy. That is a pretty shitty combination.
Manziel has an above average arm. He can make every throw. You're not talking about a Colt Mccoy or Chad Pennington arm here.
Manziel's accuracy is incredible. I think you're confusing bad decision with accuracy. He is a gunslingler (i.e. risk taker) to a fault.
He is pretty damn athletic like Kaep and his deep ball is incredibly accurate.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:27 am to Jcorye1
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Unless it's AP, why would you ever take a running back in the first round?
When will people learn this?
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:32 am to wildtigercat93
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When will people learn this?
I don't know. It seems like every year there are RBs to be had in the 2nd-6th rounds who make an impact. Unless it's an AP clone, wait and see if someone else is dumb enough to choose them.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:39 am to Moustache
He doesn't believe this. He's trolling. They learned that hyping the QB creates the illusion of "free fall," and they get their drama and storyline. Think Brady Quinn "falling" just because Mel Kiper thought he was a top three pick. Or Aaron Rodgers. Or Jimmy Clausen.
So McShay learned. Put Johnny Football (and Bortles) in the top 5 so that we can talk about "how far they dropped." My question is how did they drop? This is just one douchebag's opinion and not those of NFL decision makers, but they act like it's gospel.
So McShay learned. Put Johnny Football (and Bortles) in the top 5 so that we can talk about "how far they dropped." My question is how did they drop? This is just one douchebag's opinion and not those of NFL decision makers, but they act like it's gospel.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 11:40 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:45 am to Lester Earl
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didnt he have a hurt throwing hand?
there were reports that he had a hurt thumb, and he downplayed the injury. When the wind was behind him looked a lot better throwing the ball (obviously). He was 16/41 for 224, 1 TD and 2 INT
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as for his accuracy, he completed 68% and 69% of his passes the last 2 years after throwing the ball over 800 times. As a Rs FR and SOPH.
sure those numbers look great, I am more interested in his NFL accuracy when he stands in the pocket off a 5 or 7 step drop, goes through progressions and has to fit the ball into the tight windows that NFL QBs throw in.
For comparison, these are RGIII's stats at Baylor:
Year School Conf Class Pos G Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2008 Baylor Big 12 QB 12 160 267 59.9 2091 7.8 8.4 15 3 142.0
2009 Baylor Big 12 QB 3 45 69 65.2 481 7.0 8.1 4 0 142.9
*2010 Baylor Big 12 QB 13 304 454 67.0 3501 7.7 7.9 22 8 144.2
*2011 Baylor Big 12 QB 13 291 402 72.4 4293 10.7 11.8 37 6 189.5
Career Baylor 800 1192 67.1 10366 8.7 9.4 78 17 158.9
Here are RGIII's NFL stats:
PASSING STATS
SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM QBR RAT
2012
WSH
15 258 393 65.6 3,200 8.14 20 88 5 3 73.2 102.4
2013
WSH
13 274 456 60.1 3,203 7.02 16 62 12 6 40.1 82.2
Career 28 532 849 62.7 6,403 7.54 36 88 17 9 57.5 91.5
RGIII's rep after two years in the NFL:
cant read a defense, runs too quickly, is prone to severe accuracy problems
The dink and dunk and check down throws prevalent in today's game will drive up the completion percentages but amount to very little when it is nut cutting time and the QB has to make a tough throw under pressure.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:51 am to supatigah
Big 12 QBs routinely have inflated completion percentages.
While I agree the SEC's defenses have been down the last 2 years, it is still head and shoulders above Big 12 defenses.
Consider Manziel's contemporaries in the SEC.
Aaron Murray 64.8%
McCarron 67%
Mett 65%
Shaw 63%
Franklin 62%
At least 3 of those guys will be drafted fairly highly.
no doubt he was terrible that day.
but it as abnormally terrible. He was way off. And they would show him coming back to the sideline flexing his hand.
While I agree the SEC's defenses have been down the last 2 years, it is still head and shoulders above Big 12 defenses.
Consider Manziel's contemporaries in the SEC.
Aaron Murray 64.8%
McCarron 67%
Mett 65%
Shaw 63%
Franklin 62%
At least 3 of those guys will be drafted fairly highly.
quote:
there were reports that he had a hurt thumb, and he downplayed the injury. When the wind was behind him looked a lot better throwing the ball (obviously). He was 16/41 for 224, 1 TD and 2 INT
no doubt he was terrible that day.
but it as abnormally terrible. He was way off. And they would show him coming back to the sideline flexing his hand.
This post was edited on 1/6/14 at 11:52 am
Posted on 1/6/14 at 11:51 am to supatigah
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cant read a defense, runs too quickly, is prone to severe accuracy problems
He's prone to accuracy problems because he doesn't set his feet and rushes his throws because he doesn't want to get hit.
Basically, his knee injury fricked his psyche up.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:01 pm to Moustache
My biggest knock on Manziel is his pocket feel. An time he feels a bit of pressure he runs out. When he plays against fast defenses he gets chased and makes poor decisions. His arm strength is decent but not great. Hes very accurate on the run. I dont know if he'll be good enough decision maker as he hates taking sacks s this year he just always threw it up to Mike Evans.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:03 pm to UltimateHog
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Would love Clowney on the Raiders, but would rather have Bortles or Manziel if they were there at 5.
I would rage so hard if Oakland dared to pick Bortles or Manziel.
Posted on 1/6/14 at 12:03 pm to JBeam
I really wish JFF could go anywhere besides the forever doomed Browns.
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