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re: Mark Buehrle: HOF or no?

Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:46 am to
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:46 am to
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And if Pedro Martinez is in the Hof then Buehrle deserves to be



Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:48 am to
Was it buehrle that went something like 7 or 8 perfect innings in the start after his perfect game?
Posted by David Ricky
Hailing From Parts Unknown
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:53 am to
quote:

And if Pedro Martinez is in the Hof then Buehrle deserves to be


Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41200 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 9:56 am to
he won the gold glove on opening day with this play




Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6759 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 10:30 am to
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Was Buehrle ever a top 5 pitcher in the league?


Check the 2005 cy young voting
Posted by Honest Tune
Louisiana
Member since Dec 2011
15623 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 11:19 am to
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When he did it (for some reason) they were a dime a dozen. Don't know what was going on in MLB.


His was the only perfect game in 09. Roy Halladay and Dallas Braden were close together in 2010. Halladay was obviously elite; Braden got insanely hot for a minute but came back down to earth. The next PG was in 2012, when Philip Humber, Matt Cain and King Felix all three delivered perfect games in close proximity.

You’re right… from 09 to 2012 was pretty stacked with PGs.

Side note: you’re a knowledgeable baseball man.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 11:22 am
Posted by kciDAtaE
Member since Apr 2017
15766 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 11:58 am to
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Check the 2005 cy young voting


He was 5th in the AL. Considering the NL that year, he was never top 5.
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
44871 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:07 pm to
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That 2005 White Sox rotation was not very good.


In a 5 game ALCS that year, relievers pitched a grand total of 2/3 of an inning. That is one of the most incredible stats I can ever remember in modern baseball.

Their staff wasn't loaded with stars, but they were very good, and most importantly, very durable. They had 4 starters make at least 32 starts.
Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:15 pm to
That white Sox team is probably the least talked about WS winner ever.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:26 pm to
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Check the 2005 cy young voting


He was 5th in the AL with:

Roy carpenter
Dontrelle Willis
Roger Clemons
Roy Oswolt

He was 9th at best.
Posted by Undertow
Member since Sep 2016
7320 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:36 pm to
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Don't see 300 wins or 700 saves. So, no.


The days of 300 game winners are over. The game is played different than it used to be. Time to adjust your standards.

Still a no from me for Buehrle, though. He was a great pitcher and I loved watching him play but he’s not quite there for me.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 4:37 pm
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278458 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:38 pm to
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Check the 2005 cy young voting


Guys that have actually won one (or two) are still waiting

David cone
Bret saberhagen (2x)
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:43 pm to
Posted by Nutriaitch
Montegut
Member since Apr 2008
7539 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

And if Pedro Martinez is in the Hof then Buehrle deserves to be


Pedro has more wins in fewer games
Pedro has nearly 1300 more strikeouts in 450 fewer innings
Pedro's ERA is nearly a full run lower than Buehrle
Pedro has a WAR of nearly 25 games more than Buehrle
Pedro has 3 more Cy Youngs than Buehrle (plus Pedro has another two 2nd place finishes while Buerhle never finished higher than 5th).


Buerhle isn't anywhere remotely close to being on the same level of Pedro.



Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
10428 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:03 pm to
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Pitched on arguably the worst pitching staff to win a World Series that I’ve ever seen. That 2005 White Sox rotation was not very good.
I'm impressed a non White Sox fan remembers that much from 19 years ago, even if it was a World Series team.

I used to be a big all sports nerd in my day, but now I can barely remember who won the NCAA MBB tourney two years ago.

Guess priorities have changed.
This post was edited on 3/24/24 at 6:06 pm
Posted by ChiGator
Member since Nov 2020
3277 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:20 pm to
They went 11– 1 in the post season. The fook u talking about
Posted by boston vol
Lexington-Fayette, KY
Member since Sep 2015
5580 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:24 pm to
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The fook u talking about

Just talking out of his arse like usual.
Posted by Broski
Member since Jun 2011
70943 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:26 pm to
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Don't see 300 wins or 700 saves. So, no.



Likely will never see that again
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
52810 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:27 pm to
What about Frank Viola?

Discuss
Posted by theballguy
Colorado Springs, CO
Member since Oct 2011
2113 posts
Posted on 3/24/24 at 6:52 pm to
Yeah but he played when that was the standard.
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