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re: Let’s put the Jordan/LeBron debate to rest

Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:00 pm to
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:00 pm to
quote:

Didn't read all of this, but happened to catch this quote:

Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.

This year Lebron is averaging 35/9/9 on 55% shooting

Last year was 32/8/9 on 57% shooting.


Half of that list probably consists of shite numbers.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 4:06 pm
Posted by Colonel Flagg
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Member since Apr 2010
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:01 pm to
Many of these awards they don’t give to Lebron because of fatigue of him easily being better than the second best player in the current NBA.

Additionally, defenses are completely different now and someone like Lebron would destroy the defenses they had in the 90s.

No reason to debate this topic anymore, but many of the items above are either subjective or team accomplishments.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:02 pm to
Lol. Pathetic
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:04 pm to
This is a long arse post just to say that Lebron is better than Jordan at everything except Jordan takes more shots per game, gets more steals, and is a better free throw shooter if you take out team achievements and voting

Lebron averages 29 ppg on 21 shots at a 49.1% clip in the playoffs compared to Jordan's 33.5 ppg on 25.1 shots at a 48.7% clip.

Also lebron averages 8.9 rebounds and 7 assists to Jordan's 6.4 and 5.7

Those are all career playoff stats.

Lebron effective fg% .528 Jordan .503

Im glad you think being the best volume shot taker and free throw shooter makes you the GOAT, but ill go with that guy that is better at everything else
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 4:09 pm
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
22298 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:09 pm to
MJ
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
Lurking the Tin Foil Hat Board
Member since Jul 2009
50738 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:11 pm to
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4000 more points


Who taught you how to math?

quote:

4. Michael Jordan* 32292


quote:

7. LeBron James 31038


I'm doubting all of your numbers now.
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27060 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:13 pm to
A lot of his numbers are wrong. Lebron has the higher playoff fg % but he has it the other way around
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27060 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:15 pm to
NBA/ABA Leaders Playoff Value over Replacement best ever
Rank Player VORP Year
1. Tim Duncan 3.52 2003
2. LeBron James 3.37 2018
3. LeBron James 3.21 2012
4. LeBron James 3.15 2016
5. LeBron James 2.95 2009
6. LeBron James 2.95 2013
7. Larry Bird* 2.93 1984
8. Michael Jordan* 2.79 1990
9. Hakeem Olajuwon* 2.77 1994
10. Michael Jordan* 2.75 1991
11. LeBron James 2.74 2015
12. Michael Jordan* 2.71 1992
13. Michael Jordan* 2.67 1989
14. Dwyane Wade 2.64 2006
15. LeBron James 2.54 2017
16. Michael Jordan* 2.52 1993
17. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 2.51 1974
18. Dirk Nowitzki 2.43 2006
19. LeBron James 2.40 2014
20. Larry Bird* 2.37 1986
Posted by mdomingue
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33963 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:28 pm to
quote:

4000 more points Who taught you how to math?


Maybe it's a list from like 2 years ago or something. Multiple stats on there are just flat out wrong.
Posted by Colonel Flagg
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2010
23487 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:29 pm to
You can have Jordan and Lebron as 1a and 1b; however, the list posted is just stupid.

Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
71661 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:30 pm to
I love how they invent stats for lebron... and he's still #2

Posted by WicKed WayZ
Louisiana Forever
Member since Sep 2011
34164 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:48 pm to
The GOAT argument is dumb. Comparing greats from different generations is retarded. MJ and LeBron are the two best basketball players of all time. Who is better will always be split 50/50, so instead let’s just enjoy both for their greatness
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
50738 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:53 pm to
Take a look at the Net Efficiency Rating for the opponents they both faced in the finals:



The best team Jordan ever faced has a worse Net Efficiency Rating than the worst team Lebron has faced.



Posted by dukke v
PLUTO
Member since Jul 2006
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:54 pm to
Well I ASSURE that if MJ scored 51 in a finals his team would not have lost.....
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35381 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 4:54 pm to
quote:

Maybe it's a list from like 2 years ago or something. Multiple stats on there are just flat out wrong.
It says through 14 seasons and Lebron is in year 15 so I suspect it was just a copy and paste from a year ago. I just wonder if the OP even recognized that.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
173588 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:00 pm to
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Here’s why:

And then your dumb arse lists a bunch of shite that can't legitimately be compared until after LeBron retires. So stupid.
Posted by Green Chili Tiger
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Member since Jul 2009
50738 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 5:03 pm to
quote:

Well I ASSURE that if MJ scored 51 in a finals his team would not have lost.....


He scored 63 in a playoff game against the Celtics and lost.

He scored 50 in a playoff game against the Cavs and lost.

This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 5:06 pm
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39414 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:22 pm to
You didn't need all those stats.

Nobody is taking LeBron over Jordan unless they're mental and don't like winning.
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
32130 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 6:24 pm to
quote:

quote:
Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. 


This year Lebron is averaging 35/9/9 on 55% shooting

Last year was 32/8/9 on 57% shooting.



So I'm gonna go ahead and assume most if not all of that list is false

Ironic with all the made up facts considering most people mis-remember things during the Jordan era due to being shitfaced on nostalgia.
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