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Let’s put the Jordan/LeBron debate to rest

Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:44 pm
Posted by TechDawg2007
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:44 pm
Jordan >>>> LeBron. Here’s why:

There’s been a lot of noise lately about LeBron perhaps passing Jordan as the G.O.A.T. There’s no doubt that LeBron is all-time great - in my opinion, there’s a solid argument that he might land at #2 on that list. But when the numbers are laid down, sorry kids...it ain’t close. From a post on KSR:

Jordan vs LeBron

Updated after Lebrons 14th season. Michael Jordan has:
•3 more rings
•3 more final mvps
•1 more DPOY
•1 more season MVP
•9 more scoring titles
•3 more steals leader
•3 more all defensive team selections
•4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
•800 more steals
•Beat 20 50+ win teams in the playoffs (Lebron only defeated 10)
•Jordan never averaged less than 40% Field Goal in the finals
Lebron did it twice
•6/6 (never allowed a game 7)
•Lebron had much more offensive help, example:
Jordan never had a teammate average more than 22 points in the finals.. In fact, Mj is Only player in NBA history to lead a team to the championship with only one teammate averaging double figures in scoring
* In the Bulls’ 1997 playoff run, Scottie Pippen averaged 19 points per game on 42% shooting. All other teammates of Jordan averaged under 8 points per game
Kyrie averaged over 28 and DWade averaged more than 26
•MJ never ever had a finals meltdown like Lebron in 2011 against the Mavs
•MJ had more points in the playoffs in less games..
MJ accomplished all of this in 13 seasons
Lebron after his 14th season, is still chasing the “ghost (GOAT) that played in Chicago”
•Michael Jordan in the playoffs has put up atleast 40ppg, 5rpg, 5apg in 6 different playoff series. Along with an average of about 55% shooting, 3spg and 2bpg.
(86 vs bos, 89 vs cavs, 90 vs philly, 92 vs Miami, 93 vs Phoenix, 88 vs cavs) Jordan won every one of those matchups except for the 1986 matchup vs the celtics.
•Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line.
•in 87 thru 92, MJ averaged 5 straight seasons of atleast 51% FG shooting. LeBron has never done this.
•the lowest FT% MJ ever shot in a season was 78%. Lebrons highest in a season ever is 78%.
•MJ has a higher playoff FG% of 48.7% to Lebrons 48.3%
•MJ has a higher playoff player efficiency rating of 28.6 to Lebrons 27.3.
•MJ shoots a higher playoff 3 point percentage of 33.2% to Lebrons 32.9%
•LeBron James has scored 30 points, 416 times in 1,117 games.
Michael Jordan did it 562 times in 1,072 games.
Jordan won 6 championships without losing a final in 1,072 games and LeBron in 1,117 games has lost 5 times and has only won 3 times (updated 2018)
•MJ also shocked the league by being the first (and only) player to have 100 blocks and 200 steals in the same season, then turned around and did it again the next year..
•Mj also has more career blocks (893) than Lebron James (853) despite playing in 22 LESS career games and being the smaller guy.
Also, MJ averaged 1.6 blocks per game in the 1987-88 season which is absolutely bonkers for a 6’6? shooting guard.
Seriously this list can keep going. This isn’t even a debate. Mj is the GOAT.
MIchael Jordan:
•NBA record 5 playoffs series’ averaging atleast 40ppg
•Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY
•Highest scoring average, points per game, in any championship series:
41.0 vs. Phoenix Suns, 1993 NBA Finals
•Only rookie in NBA history to lead his team in four statistics (1984–85)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring, win Most Valuable Player, and Defensive Player of the Year in the same season (1987–88)
•Only player in history to average at least 30pts 6reb 5assists And 2 steals per game AND HE DID IT 7 TIMES.
•Only player in NBA history to win Rookie of the Year (1984–85), Defensive Player of the Year (1987–88), NBA MVP (1987–88, 1990–91, 1991–92, 1995–96, 1997–98), All-Star MVP (1988, 1996, 1998), and Finals MVP (1991, 1992, 1993, 1996, 1997, 1998)
•Only player in NBA history to lead the league in scoring and win the NBA championship MORE THAN ONCE in the same season
* He did this SIX TIMES!! (1990–91, 1991–92, 1992–93, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1997–98)
•One of two players in NBA history to score 3,000 points in a season: 3,041 points scored in 82 games played (37.1 ppg) (1986–87)
* Wilt Chamberlain is the only other player to achieve this.
•MJ is also the only player in NBA history to score over 40 points at age 40, and he did it twice!
•In 1988, MJ earned: Dunk Champ, All Star Game MVP, NBA Scoring Title, League MVP and Defensive Player of the Year.
Michael in only ELEVEN complete seasons with the Bulls:
-10 scoring titles,
-Won Defensive Player of the Year,
-9 times all defensive team,
-9time All NBA,
-5 league MVPs
-6 finals MVPs
All 11 seasons. Mj has done in 11 seasons things Lebron hasn’t done and won’t do in his whole career…

Remind me again...who is the GOAT?
Posted by David Ricky
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:46 pm to
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:46 pm to
Well you completely settled that.
Let me call a press conference
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 8:47 pm
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
61788 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:46 pm to
Who cares

We had the privilege of seeing all time greatness 20-30 years ago. And we had it last night.

Both were awesome
Posted by The Easter Bunny
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:46 pm to
Some of these are really informative, and some are just team stats that seem out of place
Posted by Spelt it rong
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:47 pm to
lol
Posted by DownSouthCrawfish
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:48 pm to
How about we put it to rest because no one will change their mind and it’s all subjective.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112329 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:48 pm to
Oh yes THIS is gonna be the thread to finally end the debate

Glad someone did this finally. Thank you for your service
Posted by Righteous Dude
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:48 pm to
Posted by craigbiggio
Member since Dec 2009
31805 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Remind me again...who is the GOAT?



Barry Bonds
Posted by Hoops
LA
Member since Jan 2013
6535 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:49 pm to
quote:

Only player in history to lead league in scoring and win DPOY


Nasty
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
10028 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:50 pm to
Lebron
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10415 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:52 pm to
This will definitely settle all argument.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:53 pm to
Lebron has a playoff 3pt% of 33.2%

I just picked one random stat out of that exhaustive list and it was wrong. I'm sure numerous others are wrong.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 3:54 pm
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83470 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:53 pm to
quote:

4000 more points / bron moved past him in playoff points, but it took him longer.
It took Lebron way less shots.

Now I can't trust anything you typed.
Posted by CptBengal
BR Baby
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:54 pm to
Look how melty the closeted gay fans are...

Amazing post!
Posted by hg
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:55 pm to
Lebron wears the number 23 because of Jordan

Jordan is tGOAT
Posted by CONNECTICUTTIGER
RHODE ISLAND
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:55 pm to
Didn't read all of this, but happened to catch this

quote:

Jordan in 88-89 averaged 32ppg, 8apg, 8rpg, 3spg off 54% shooting. LeBron has never even came close to this stat line. 


This year Lebron is averaging 35/9/9 on 55% shooting

Last year was 32/8/9 on 57% shooting.
This post was edited on 6/1/18 at 3:57 pm
Posted by oleyeller
Vols, Bitch
Member since Oct 2012
32021 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:56 pm to
please tell me you just copied and pasted that wall of text and didnt actually type all of that. Geez man, are you that insecure of bron being GOAT?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83470 posts
Posted on 6/1/18 at 3:57 pm to
He only did that so he could come through and erase Jordan's records and legacy.

Similar to what Trump is doing to Obama.
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