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Lebron James makes players around him better*
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:27 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:27 am
*and by better I mean he makes them suck more
Historically, good to great players (even in their primes) have their worst seasons playing with LeBron
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Davis
The list goes on
And now, so far, it seems Luka suddenly smokes pole
What give? Is LeBron just a statistical black hole?
Historically, good to great players (even in their primes) have their worst seasons playing with LeBron
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Davis
The list goes on
And now, so far, it seems Luka suddenly smokes pole
What give? Is LeBron just a statistical black hole?
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 8:28 am
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Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:33 am to theunknownknight
Because Luka didn’t drop 30 after being out 60+ days?
I hate Lebron but this thread is retarded
I hate Lebron but this thread is retarded
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:34 am to theunknownknight
Luka needs to lose 20 lbs.
JJ might need to bring Reaves and Rui off the bench and start DFS and either Vincent or Vando.
JJ might need to bring Reaves and Rui off the bench and start DFS and either Vincent or Vando.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:36 am to theunknownknight
You don't want to play with LeBron.
He's not Magic or Larry.
He takes away, it's about him.
You will be a lesser basketball player with LeBron as your teammate. He elevates no one.
He's not Magic or Larry.
He takes away, it's about him.
You will be a lesser basketball player with LeBron as your teammate. He elevates no one.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:47 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Historically, good to great players (even in their primes) have their worst seasons playing with LeBron
Wade
Bosh
Irving
Love
Davis
And all of those on your list except for Wade would have a combined zero championships without Lebron. I hate Lebron, but this is a dumb take.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 8:48 am to theunknownknight
Lebron turns alright\average players into above average/great role players.
When paired with elite stars, he has always been better than every other player (all the way until prob ~36-37). So obviously there is only one ball to go around and he gets to touch it more and take more shots bc he's better.
Similar to an all star\olympic game. All the top guys cant score 30 each, no?
And the comment about Luka is pretty dumb. Luka is just coming off an injury , isn't in playing shape, and on a minutes restriction
When paired with elite stars, he has always been better than every other player (all the way until prob ~36-37). So obviously there is only one ball to go around and he gets to touch it more and take more shots bc he's better.
Similar to an all star\olympic game. All the top guys cant score 30 each, no?
And the comment about Luka is pretty dumb. Luka is just coming off an injury , isn't in playing shape, and on a minutes restriction
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:21 am to theunknownknight
Very objective, data-backed thread
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:21 am to theunknownknight
quote:
And now, so far, it seems Luka suddenly smokes pole
It's been two freaking games dude
He also hasn't played in a while due to injury. I'm no lakers fan at all, but this take is ridiculous.This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:29 am to theunknownknight
Quick question! How many championships have those guys won outside of playing with Lebron?
I can give you Bosh and Love, they had to completely adjust their game from their prior years of being the #1 guy.
Wade was as good as he has ever been during their first year together, then he started dealing with the knee injuries.
Kyrie's game was 100% elevated from playing with Lebron. Just look at what Cleveland was doing when he was their #1 option before Lebron returned.
Anthony Davis has been elite his entire time in LA. His game never declined playing with Lebron. His only issue is staying healthy.
Luka is 2 games back after being out for almost 2 months due to injury. It's well known Luka always has to play himself back into shape on the basketball court. Not to mention he's on a completely new team with a completely new system. How about you give it more than 2 games before declaring that he sucks. Because I guarantee you this take will age horribly.
I can give you Bosh and Love, they had to completely adjust their game from their prior years of being the #1 guy.
Wade was as good as he has ever been during their first year together, then he started dealing with the knee injuries.
Kyrie's game was 100% elevated from playing with Lebron. Just look at what Cleveland was doing when he was their #1 option before Lebron returned.
Anthony Davis has been elite his entire time in LA. His game never declined playing with Lebron. His only issue is staying healthy.
Luka is 2 games back after being out for almost 2 months due to injury. It's well known Luka always has to play himself back into shape on the basketball court. Not to mention he's on a completely new team with a completely new system. How about you give it more than 2 games before declaring that he sucks. Because I guarantee you this take will age horribly.
This post was edited on 2/13/25 at 9:31 am
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:44 am to theunknownknight
It’s 2025 and you still spew this nonsense.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:44 am to theunknownknight
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Historically, good to great players (even in their primes) have their worst seasons playing with LeBron
By which metrics? Just points? Yeah usually when you're on a shite team and have to do everything, and then you go to a team with other good players on it, you score less points.
Every player on that list was 'The Guy' either on their previous team or at their next stop after LeBron. Your role changes when a top 2-3 player ever joins your team.
Do you want the ball in Chris Bosh's hands, or Lebrons?
I think Lebron makes players like Haslem and Chalmers better. I think he lessens the workload required on players like Bosh, Love, Davis, Irving, etc.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:51 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Y’all are so retarded
Posted on 2/13/25 at 9:53 am to TigerMan327
quote:Especially not Jordan.
Similar to an all star\olympic game. All the top guys cant score 30 each, no?
Why has nobody ever told me he was dogshit on the Dream Team?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:23 am to theunknownknight
quote:
Historically, good to great players (even in their primes) have their worst seasons playing with LeBron
You mean a player's stats go down when they go from being the #1 on a team to the #2 option? You don't say!?!
quote:
And now, so far, it seems Luka suddenly smokes pole
Because of two games on a minutes restriction?
quote:
What give? Is LeBron just a statistical black hole?
How about all the role players who have their best seasons with Lebron?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:36 am to theunknownknight
LeBron's legacy is not going to be what people think it will be.
The average American hates athletes chasing titles inorganic and diminishing his teammates for his lack of understanding the winning game like Magic.
Inauthentic and weak....all about him, his brand, that couldn't stand on its own.
Fans want the Jordan mentality (I'm gonna make really average players better) it uplifts....not the easy trade me to a super team route because you couldn't show up in big moments by yourself and MAKE YOUR TEAMMATES BETTER... .His legacy will be re-examined for what it really was.....Luka better hope LeBron Retires ASAP.
The average American hates athletes chasing titles inorganic and diminishing his teammates for his lack of understanding the winning game like Magic.
Inauthentic and weak....all about him, his brand, that couldn't stand on its own.
Fans want the Jordan mentality (I'm gonna make really average players better) it uplifts....not the easy trade me to a super team route because you couldn't show up in big moments by yourself and MAKE YOUR TEAMMATES BETTER... .His legacy will be re-examined for what it really was.....Luka better hope LeBron Retires ASAP.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 10:52 am to theunknownknight
LeBron is fourth since 2000 at increasing his teammate's eFG% when he is on the floor vs. when he is off the floor.
Only Joker (which makes sense as an absolutely elite passing/playmaking center swinging the ball around to shooters), Nash, and Luka are ahead of him.
Only Joker (which makes sense as an absolutely elite passing/playmaking center swinging the ball around to shooters), Nash, and Luka are ahead of him.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 12:27 pm to theunknownknight
Let’s ask Westbrook about it.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 1:13 pm to QJenk
quote:
Quick question! How many championships have those guys won outside of playing with Lebron?
How many has he won without playing with one of those guys?
Posted on 2/13/25 at 3:51 pm to theunknownknight
LeBron requires everyone else to defer unless he wants to defer. He will then throw others under the bus when they don't meet their previous performance without him.
Guy is a real piece of work, but good teammate has never been one of them. He's not as toxic as Kobe, but close. He simply tries to act like he is the good teammate where as Kobe and say a Jimmy Butler don't fake it.
Jordan was an a-hole, but was trying to push his teammates to be better. LeBron doesn't do that. He pushes them to make him look better. Like when he cares about playing defense, versus when he half-asses it.
Maybe its the HGH in his system, but who knows.
Guy is a real piece of work, but good teammate has never been one of them. He's not as toxic as Kobe, but close. He simply tries to act like he is the good teammate where as Kobe and say a Jimmy Butler don't fake it.
Jordan was an a-hole, but was trying to push his teammates to be better. LeBron doesn't do that. He pushes them to make him look better. Like when he cares about playing defense, versus when he half-asses it.
Maybe its the HGH in his system, but who knows.
Posted on 2/13/25 at 4:49 pm to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
quote:
You will be a lesser basketball player with LeBron as your teammate. He elevates no one.
This is dumb. I’m neither a fanboy or hater of LeBron but his basketball IQ is insane. Have you watched his career?
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