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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"

Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:13 pm to
Posted by offshoretrash
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:13 pm to
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So what does that mean for BYU as they are not a G5 school as ND is not either but got favorable rules because they sell seats and commercials



If you are not in a P5 conference join one if you want to be in the playoffs simple as that. ND can still have their TV deal, Texas has theirs. BYU would be better to not be in a P5 conference they would likely be in the the lower division playoffs every year.
Posted by dgtiger3
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:16 pm to
A lot of college football fans have been reluctant to change over the past decade because of how great the sport is at it's best, and many were skeptical of the negatives that could come as we shifted towards a Playoff. College Football has also been most negatively impacted by COVID because the environment and atmosphere is so important to the sport, the event that surrounds the game itself, has been drastically altered.

All that being said the playoff is here to stay so we have to move to more ways to preserve more meaningful games late in the season. Is it likely that 6,7,and 8 seeds are going to.win a playoff game against a top seed? No, but giving more teams an opportunity to play their way in creates more meaningful games.... Particularly power 5 tie ins. Let the top 2 (or even 4) non power 5 schools have a play in to a spot, maybe even give them a 5 or 6 seed.
A proactive approach needs to be taken in order to keep the rest of the country feeling a part of the national appeal to the sport. Right now it's a yearly shuffle of 2 or 3 SEC Schools, Ohio State, Oklahoma, Clemson, Notre Dame and a small chance of a few others.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:18 pm to
That is stupid. Why should you be forced to join something that is not helping you? The role of Eastern and Midwest independent football schools should absolutely return. I believe it will with some economics changing.
Posted by Dr RC
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:20 pm to

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If you are not in a P5 conference join one if you want to be in the playoffs simple as that.




Yeah, it's really that simple to join a P5! No trouble at all! Why didn't all the G5 teams think of that?!?
Posted by chalmetteowl
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:22 pm to
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You're getting downvoted but you're right. What changed is college football became a much, much bigger business over the last 20 years than was ever imaginable. 20 years ago, only a few head coaches were making a million dollars a year, these massive 9 figure tv deals didn't exist, etc. And this is all built on amatuer athletes that see the money everyone is making while they make nothing. Then, they finally come to realize they need to start looking out for themselves and here we are.

I’m thinking the ideal for a lot of people here never really existed. Since when has college athletics not been a business? Since when have universities not wanted to win? Since when have fans not demanded their university try to win?

The people moaning that Ohio State has a national roster now would be the first to complain if they were mainly Ohio kids and lost.

It’s even trickled down to high school. Best believe parents know which schools are producing D1 athletes and which ones aren’t. Then when they’re gonna ride the bench at Football Factory High, they transfer back to Neighborhood High to start again. After all, the mentality in the kids has to come from somewhere?
Posted by SoDakHawk
South Dakota
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:23 pm to
As a fan of FCS and D2 football I am convinced an FBS playoff expansion would be a good thing.

My team is South Dakota in the MVFC. The goal is to make the playoffs each year. In years where USD is in the playoff hunt it is exciting. Every game matters. You follow other games with playoff implications as well. The conference title autobid matters. So many games mean so much more deep into the season. And while NDSU dominates FCS titles lately it is still fun. First round byes, home field advantage. Every game matters.

If FBS expanded playoffs then winning the conference would matter again. Division races matter. Games in the Big 12, PAC, every conference matter.

Now unless you are Bama or Clemson who both get that one oopsie loss, if you lose once you're done. I mean, you still might have a chance to win the conference or get a good bowl but ESPN don't care and they don't talk about you.

FBS could expand the playoffs to at least 8 and ALL games would have more meaning.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:24 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:23 pm to
He could have but he wasn’t considered top round talent until his Fr year performance if I remember

He was Miami’s Ace by end of year. He won the Howser at Miami Dade as well.
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:26 pm to
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2. Alabama being AMAZING and making the playoff a couple times while not winning the division isn’t a damning thing like you want it to be.



I'm not twisting this into an anti-Bama thing like you want. You said it was important and its just not, not like it used and the toothpaste will never be put back in the tube.

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This is ridiculous


this certainly is

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Saban and Alabama teaming up for the greatest dynasty anyone has ever seen didn’t kill conference championships.


of course not, how many times do i have to say it started in 2001 with Nebraska It continued with 2003 OU and even 2016 Ohio State.

Never the less, Alabama has made title games after not winning the conference and took advantage of that 2nd chance. I also found it incredibly ironic
that an Alabama fan would say its important to win the conference given those 2 recent seasons and (on an LSU board of all places) when a fair number of your fans said how unimportant it was during those seasons.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:28 pm
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:26 pm to
FBS needs to be 24 imo follow the same bylaws they enforce on every sport. Fun fact in last 5 years the top 4 seeds all have not made the Semis. Youngstown had to play 4 games before getting to Finals 4 years ago winning 3 road games. (They were 3rd in the Valley that year)
Posted by offshoretrash
Farmerville, La
Member since Aug 2008
10771 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:29 pm to
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Yeah, it's really that simple to join a P5! No trouble at all! Why didn't all the G5 teams think of that?!?



I was talking mainly about ND, any conference in America would gladly take them.

Think about what a playoff would do for a team like La Tech or Tulane. They would get national exposer and playoff money. A lot of those teams that usually get beat by P5 teams in meaningless bowls would be able to play for a championship.

Which would you rather watch, a playoff game or the Poulan Weedeater bowl?
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:30 pm to
Why would Notre Dame join a conference and lose all the huge money making rivalry games? It’s amazing people are ostriches

They like Army BYU and Navy got national TV deals and don’t share anything

Navy complained and CBS decided ok we will give you a national contract after DOD said something.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:32 pm
Posted by VADawg
Wherever
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:30 pm to
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Youngstown had to play 4 games before getting to Finals 4 years ago winning 3 road games. (They were 3rd in the Valley that year)


That YSU/EWU semifinal game was wild
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:31 pm to
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So what does that mean for BYU as they are not a G5 school as ND is not either but got favorable rules because they sell seats and commercials


Notre Dame plays 9-10 P5 opponents every year, how many does BYU play? the only time ND made the playoffs (and BCS CG) they were undefeated. hardly "favorable" treatment when every other P5 team will make the playoff if they go undefeated
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:33 pm to
Notre Dame has special rules to gain entry into the NY6 and before that the BCS. You forgot? I’m not saying they need to be in a conference either one of them. But people complaining they should be are dead wrong.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:35 pm
Posted by H-Town Tiger
Member since Nov 2003
61014 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:35 pm to
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Why would Notre Dame join a conference and lose all the huge money making rivalry games? It’s amazing people are ostriches


i may be mistaken or may not longer be true but i think they make/made less off their NBC deal than SEC and B1G teams do on their various deals.

The bigger issue is tradition, its their tradition. LSU fans get our panties in a wad when TV wants us to play at 230, even on the road
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:38 pm to
The year before I think when NDSU scores in last minute in a quarter or 2nd was crazy as well

The FCS playoff are great to watch and the FBS would ever do it. The money made and games played would be incredible

People say but what about blowouts...we watch NCAABB tournament and there are opening round blowouts always
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
91573 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:39 pm to
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I'm not twisting this into an anti-Bama thing like you want. You said it was important and its just not, not like it used and the toothpaste will never be put back in the tube.
I promise I’m not trying to make this a you vs Alabama thing.

I just think it’s ridiculous to say one of the greatest Alabama teams ever not quite measuring up in the regular season to one the THE greatest CFB ever in 2011 is a reason to think conference championships don’t matter moving forward.

They still matter. And Alabama being the 2nd best team in 2011 won’t change that.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:40 pm to
They make more because they use NBCSN to televise more sports now. They are getting hockey home games men’s and women’s basketball games occasionally

It will be interesting g because they get a cut of the ACCN and Conference money for soorts
Posted by VADawg
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:40 pm to
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The FCS playoff are great to watch


They really are. I also like the high seed hosting all the way through the semis.

I went to a FCS playoff game once several years ago. Georgia Southern vs Old Dominion in Norfolk. QBs were Jerick McKinnon and Taylor Heinecke. GSU outscored them 28-0 in the 4th quarter to turn a 35-21 deficit into a 49-35 win. That was a crazy game.
Posted by DaBeerz
Member since Sep 2004
18309 posts
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:42 pm to
But did he cry?
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