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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:41 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Or you know, they’re 12-0 or 11-1 REALLY good football teams. Does it sometimes get a little messy at the #4 spot? Sure, I guess.
BUT, what is different compared to the BCS 2 team NC? Why is their less excitement?
Nobody’s arguments make any sense to me.
You're getting downvoted but you're right. What changed is college football became a much, much bigger business over the last 20 years than was ever imaginable. 20 years ago, only a few head coaches were making a million dollars a year, these massive 9 figure tv deals didn't exist, etc. And this is all built on amatuer athletes that see the money everyone is making while they make nothing. Then, they finally come to realize they need to start looking out for themselves and here we are.
The problem is, paying them some arbitrary amount of money isn't going to entice them to stay. They're still going to want to protect their NFL futures because those millions of potential dollars are still much more valuable than colleges will ever pay them. They're also not obligated to play by contract, so why would they if they can leave and have someone else start paying them while not risking anything monetarily. The same thing happens with plenty of guys in the NFL. They're always playing for that next contract with the big guaranteed money. They may say they want to win a championship, and I'm sure they do, but they're more concerned with playing well enough to secure as much guaranteed money as they can while during their short window to play football. That's why you see guys holding out.
Bottom line, when sports became big business, the spirit of caring about the game and winning championships became of secondary importance. Years ago, most players didn't get rich playing sports. Now, most of them do. The value of a college degree to them doesn't mean as much anymore because of the allure of so much money that they won't ever need a job after football. Money changes everything, and I don't think the college football playoffs and importance of bowl games has a damn thing to do with that for 99% of players. That's just the new en vogue idea of how to fix it.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:44 pm
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:41 pm to StupidBinder
quote:Then they’re part of the problem along with the media.
No one said they wouldn’t be good games.
But if you believe that the Sugar, Rose, Orange and Fiesta Bowl committees will be perfectly fine with never getting the top four teams, then I don’t know what to tell you.
Having a 4 team playoff isn’t the problem, imo.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:45 pm to lsufball19
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Bottom line, when sports became big business, the spirit of caring about the game and winning championships became of secondary importance. Years ago, most players didn't get rich playing sports. Now, most of them do. The value of a college degree to them doesn't mean as much anymore because of the allure of so much money that they won't ever need a job after football. Money changes everything, and I don't think the college football playoffs and importance of bowl games has a damn thing to do with that for 99% of players. That's just the new en vogue idea of how to fix it.
This is about as well stated as it is going to get.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:45 pm to WestCoastAg
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:48 pm to Dr RC
He usually is
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:48 pm to VADawg
Yes. The playoffs didn't cause this. They are a symptom of it. Spare me the people losing their minds over kids opting out cause they realize this is a business when schools continue to raise attendance costs at a crazy rate, completely disregard the wants and needs of alumni to cater to sponsors, and have their football programs operate as basically their own individual branch of the athletic department
The schools created this, kids opting out and increased over importance given to the playoffs are a result
The schools created this, kids opting out and increased over importance given to the playoffs are a result
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:48 pm to ReauxlTide222
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Then they’re part of the problem along with the media.
They are obviously part of the problem.
January 1 is permanently fricked up b/c the Sugar and Rose both demanded they get exclusive time slots to participate in the playoff. B/c that bullshite we have playoff games in late December 2 out of every 3 years instead of as the last two games every Jan 1.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:50 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:49 pm to H-Town Tiger
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not just college football, it is the sports culture we've created. You either win it all or you suck that is the mentality. in fact now, it is not just win it all, it is win it all IMMEDIATELY or you suck.
Well we hear it all the time on this board.
Like, Pac12 is irrelevant.
Going to the Rose Bowl is now irrelevant? That's a pretty nice consolation prize for the Pac12 champ.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:50 pm to WestCoastAg
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opting out
Quitting
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:53 pm to ReauxlTide222
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These arguments are ridiculous
what ever cochise, you are the one that said winning the conference was important
2011 and 2017 Alabama prove that is simply not true, its doesn't matter how good those teams were, they did not win the conference that's just a fact. I'm not arguing they "didn't deserve" to play for those titles, that's a different argument. but don't sit here and say winning the conference matters or that we can bring back the importance because that ship sailed back in 2001.This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:55 pm to VADawg
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opting out
Quitting
that is so very stupid
Posted on 12/2/20 at 8:59 pm to WestCoastAg
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The playoffs didn't cause this. They are a symptom of it. Spare me the people losing their minds over kids opting out cause they realize this is a business when schools continue to raise attendance costs at a crazy rate, completely disregard the wants and needs of alumni to cater to sponsors, and have their football programs operate as basically their own individual branch of the athletic department
The playoffs absolutely had a bearing on people opting out before bowl games. As did the Jaylon Smith and Lattimore injuries. I’d say the Jaylon Smith injury was the catalyst of the reaction.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Come on, man.
what ever cochise, you are the one that said winning the conference was important 2011 and 2017 Alabama prove that is simply not true
1. I meant it’s important goal for every team beginning the season. That will never change.
2. Alabama being AMAZING and making the playoff a couple times while not winning the division isn’t a damning thing like you want it to be.
quote:This is ridiculous.
but don't sit here and say winning the conference matters or that we can bring back the importance
Saban and Alabama teaming up for the greatest dynasty anyone has ever seen didn’t kill conference championships.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:05 pm to lsulefty5
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We havent seen the baseball example yet, but its going to happen at some point.
Baseball players aren't making as much money, largely, with their rookie contracts is why we haven't seen it as much. Outside the first round, most guys aren't seeing more than a million dollar signing bonuses, most getting significantly less. Not to mention, half or more of the high draft picks are high school kids, so most of the players in the NCAA baseball tournament and CWS don't have millions of dollars on the line. But you've seen people work around things like guys going JUCO instead of playing D1 ball. If they didn't like their draft slot out of high school, they can enter the draft sooner playing JUCO than D1 ball and get guaranteed playing time to solely focus on their game instead of being forced to play within the structure of a team trying to win games in college.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 9:17 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
I know I'll probably get a ton of down votes, but it's time to do away with all the bowls and expand the playoffs to 8 or more teams P5 teams only. Make a new division and have another playoff for non P5 teams.
We are seeing the same few teams every year in the playoffs now and that just makes them stronger in recruiting. They are getting the exposer that the other 120 teams are not. If you are a fan of those teams it's awesome but I'm sure a lot of fans are burned out on watching Clemson vs Alabama.
We are seeing the same few teams every year in the playoffs now and that just makes them stronger in recruiting. They are getting the exposer that the other 120 teams are not. If you are a fan of those teams it's awesome but I'm sure a lot of fans are burned out on watching Clemson vs Alabama.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:07 pm to lsufball19
Alex Fernandez played the system perfectly as did Bryce Harper
Fernandez left Miami after a great Fr year enrolled in Juco to get drafted
Harper went Juco early as 17 yr old to get around age requirement
Fernandez left Miami after a great Fr year enrolled in Juco to get drafted
Harper went Juco early as 17 yr old to get around age requirement
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:08 pm to lsufball19
quote:There it is
Bottom line, when sports became big business, the spirit of caring about the game and winning championships became of secondary importance. Years ago, most players didn't get rich playing sports. Now, most of them do. The value of a college degree to them doesn't mean as much anymore because of the allure of so much money that they won't ever need a job after football. Money changes everything, and I don't think the college football playoffs and importance of bowl games has a damn thing to do with that for 99% of players. That's just the new en vogue idea of how to fix it.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:09 pm to offshoretrash
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Make a new division and have another playoff for non P5 teams.
So what does that mean for BYU as they are not a G5 school as ND is not either but got favorable rules because they sell seats and commercials
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:11 pm to ThereGoesHerschel
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Alabama has a zero percent chance at getting knocked off by fricking iowa state or cincinnati. Zero.
The explosion in money in college football definitely created a much bigger divide in the haves and have nots. These recruiting services and the internet also created much greater opportunities for big programs to recruit nationally. Before the tech age, coaches had to rely on word of mouth, in person scouting, and random recruiting newspapers guys would create themselves. Now, every kid can be seen by every coach in america, and every coach can be there to watch them play in a few hours on their private jet. No to mention the hundreds of camps and showcases throughout the year for elite prospects. Used to, you'd see mainly instate and guys in your area comprising 90%+ of your team. It's just not like that anymore.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 9:13 pm to sms151t
quote:Couldn’t he have just gone to JUCO out of HS and been drafted 1 year out of HS?
Fernandez left Miami after a great Fr year enrolled in Juco to get drafted
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