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re: Kirk Herbstreit worried for college football: "What the hell is happening to our sport?"
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:03 pm to sms151t
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:03 pm to sms151t
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Again nobody is forcing them to play and again not every FBS player is a pro prospect.
Who said anyone was forcing them. This thread is what would it take to fix the college football model and make players care again about playing the whole season. Creating more games is not going to do that
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But your mindset that they won’t play to win a championship is wrong.
ANd I think you overestimate how many players care about winning a championship more than they care about inking the best rookie NFL contract possible. I wish the players cared as much as the fanbases do about winning championships, but they really don't.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:04 pm
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Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:05 pm to lsufball19
quote:some people are under the delusion that you can still win without that being the case
Every single player that started for LSU in the national title game last year will end up being on a 53 man roster. Yes, that matters. A lot.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:13 pm to sms151t
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Notre Dame has special rules to gain entry into the NY6 and before that the BCS. You forgot?
but they really don't, they are mentioned along with the P5 because they are not in a conference but they don't just get in on name they have to be ranked high enough. Since the BCS started in 1998 they made the BCS CG once and the playoff once, both seasons they were undefeated. Beyond that they made 4 BCS/NY6 2000, 2006 and 2016 Fiesta and 2007 Sugar Bowls. They were ranked 10,6,11 and 8 in those years. 2006 when they were 11 and played LSU in the Sugar Bowl, Wisconsin and Auburn were ranked higher but were ineligible for BCS bowls because only 2 teams from each BCS conference were allowed and tOSU/Mich/Fla/LSU were all in, so no, not treatment any other P5 team would get
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:15 pm to sms151t
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They’re opting out due to not playing meaningful games my man.
People are opting out of entire seasons my man. It has become pretty clear that we're headed to an area where players will play long enough until they are advised they have established their draft status. NFL teams have shown us that they will not hold it against players for sitting out bowl games, multiple games, or entire seasons.
This idea about sitting out an entire season started being talked about when Clowney was a sophomore. Then we saw him coast through his junior season and barely try because he knew he was going #1. And he did. Then you had Fournette and McCaffery shock the world and sit out their bowl games. People were worried NFL scouts wouldn't like it. They didn't care.
Now, COVID has presented a great opportunity for a bunch of players to test this theory even further by skipping multiple games at the end of the season or the entire season. Once players see it doesn't affect those players either, just wait for that snowball to gain steam.
I'm not spinning anything. This is reality. The elite players on the elite programs have one goal: to make the NFL and get paid and as quickly as they possibly can. If they win a title along the way, great. This rah rah "we're here to win national titles" is a nice pipe dream for fans, but that just isn't the #1 priority for players anymore with the money on the table now that wasn't the case 20 years ago. If you can't see the financial giants athletes and entertainers in general have become now compared two 20 years ago, I'm not sure what else to tell you. The ONLY reason they're not opting out of playoff games, IMO, is because, right now, NFL GMs wouldn't like it. If GMs didn't care about players quitting before the playoffs, you'd see it happen there too. And why? Because the playoffs don't pay.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:19 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:21 pm to lsufball19
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People are opting out of entire seasons my man.
Did anyone do that prior to this year when there is a freaking pandemic? Only ones i can think of are Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett (and i think Clarett had eligibility issues) who challenged and the NFL rule and lost.
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I'm not spinning anything. This is reality. The elite players on the elite programs have one goal: to make the NFL and get paid and as quickly as they possibly can. If they win a title along the way, great. This rah rah "we're here to win national titles" is a nice pipe dream for fans, but that just isn't the #1 priority for players anymore with the money on the table now that wasn't the case 20 years ago. If you can't see the financial giants athletes and entertainers in general have become now compared two 20 years ago, I'm not sure what else to tell you. The ONLY reason they're not opting out of playoff games, IMO, is because, right now, NFL GMs wouldn't like it. If GMs didn't care about players quitting before the playoffs, you'd see it happen there too. And why? Because the playoffs don't pay.
this is nonsense and overly cynical. Most players love playing football and are hyper competitive. They would not opt out of the playoffs and it has nothing to do with NFL GMs caring about it.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:24 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Did anyone do that prior to this year when there is a freaking pandemic?
No, but it's going to continue to happen. College players have really backed schools and the NCAA into a corner with this amateurism thing in their multi-billion dollar a year industry that athletes don't get a piece of while everyone else gets rich. It was only a matter of time before the bubble burst as quickly as the sport has exploded financially, and COVID has really put things in perspective for a lot of schools and players and accelerated things
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Only ones i can think of are Mike Williams and Maurice Clarett (and i think Clarett had eligibility issues) who challenged and the NFL rule and lost.
That was a long time ago now. Things have changed quite a bit since those guys tried that. Clarett was kicked out of school after his freshman season, tired to enter the draft, failed, got extremely out of shape, was drafted in the 3rd round, flamed out, and then went to prison.
Mike Williams was still drafted #10 overall, despite missing an entire year of football. His NFL career didn't pan out, but that year off didn't end up mattering.
But yes, both filed suit in federal court against the NFL and lost.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:29 pm to lsufball19
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No, but it's going to continue to happen
ok, got this week's lottery #s Nostradamus
I mean its possible some superstar sophomore eventually does it but despite the huge and cry those sitting out the bowl are still a minority. You won't see a mass sit out of an entire year. Now if there is an alternative like the XFL, maybe more will try that but It will be interesting to see if sitting out a year without playing football affects guys actual play. Guys have missed a year with injury and been ok but can be rusty at first.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:32 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:31 pm to lsufball19
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Mike Williams was still drafted #10 overall, despite missing an entire year of football. His NFL career didn't pan out, but that year off didn't end up mattering.
right but you didn't see anyone else try sitting out a year either until the pandemic and lets also remember with that, at the time, the CFB season was still up in the air.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:40 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:you know what affects their actual play more? Being paralyzed like the kid from Tulane or the kid from Southern in a game that’s meaningless to them that they’re playing for free
It will be interesting to see if sitting out a year without playing football affects guys actual play.
This post was edited on 12/2/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:51 pm to RLDSC FAN
Whatever is happening he is a big part of it so frick him.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 10:57 pm to sms151t
quote:What grades are the Clinton’s making at this point?
I’ve got to enter grades for my Future Felons of America’and Future Criminals of Arkansas
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:16 pm to lsufball19
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No, but it's going to continue to happen. College players have really backed schools and the NCAA into a corner with this amateurism thing in their multi-billion dollar a year industry that athletes don't get a piece of while everyone else gets rich.
I think you’re right. As the pockets were filled with more and more cash, this became a powder keg.
I still maintain that the problem is everyone is making too much money. That trend will not reverse though. Coaching salaries will continue to ascend. We may see a slight pause because Covid has messed up budgets, but long term...they will continue to skyrocket.
Those salaries went up quicker when BCS titles were at stake. BCS bowls meant more money for schools and conferences. When more money is made, more will be spent to keep raking it in, etc, etc.
I can’t blame the athlete for wanting a bigger piece of the pie. Those ideals go hand in hand with the ‘me’ generation.
I don’t see how this reverses course.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:28 pm to TexasTiger08
I simply maintain an FBS playoff that incorporates the bowls set up like the FCS, D2, and D3 would be an incredibly fun year. It would be great.
Should have done it in this F'd up year as a trial. It's a circus year anyway.
Should have done it in this F'd up year as a trial. It's a circus year anyway.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:33 pm to RLDSC FAN
Kirk sounds MAGA
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:36 pm to ManBearTiger
Can we take a second to appreciate Kirk learning from Democrats with his planned statements?
He has dragged CFB into the ditch(along with his employer) more than any institution on earth.
Yet here he is
For the 1000th time, Democrats are ruining this country.
He has dragged CFB into the ditch(along with his employer) more than any institution on earth.
Yet here he is
For the 1000th time, Democrats are ruining this country.
Posted on 12/2/20 at 11:46 pm to Obi-Wan Tiger
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Be it pre-BCS, BCS, playoff or not, there have always been a limited number of teams in a given year that could win a title. But it didn’t used to matter. My first year at LSU, Sugar Bowl vs Nebraska. Huge deal. Third year SEC title and another Sugar Bowl. Another big deal. Both games felt important and had huge crowds. Neither had a remote effect on the title picture.
As an LSU fan, you could tell the difference in the culture change in 04. As soon as we were out of the title picture, other than the Bama game , you could sense the general indifference of the fan base and atmosphere on campus.
I saw this happen with UF in 2001. Went 10-2 and won the Orange Bowl, finish ranked 5th. I was at the Orange Bowl and remember how empty the stadium was. Everybody was bummed about not playing for the NC and that’s the first time I ever saw the “it’s just a bowl game, who cares” attitude. This is still prevalent in the UF fan base. You would think a couple of 4-8 seasons would remedy this but nope. Winning 10 games and playing in a prestigious bowl will always mean a lot to me but I’m the minority.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:08 am to H-Town Tiger
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This post was edited on 8/22/21 at 2:39 am
Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:28 am to Dr RC
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Yeah, it's really that simple to join a P5! No trouble at all! Why didn't all the G5 teams think of that?!?
I’m all for there being a P5 champion and a G5 champion. They face off for the NC. 9 out of 10 times the P5 wins but those rare times the G5 wins, it would feel like the old days.
Posted on 12/3/20 at 12:41 am to olemc999
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I saw this happen with UF in 2001. Went 10-2 and won the Orange Bowl, finish ranked 5th. I was at the Orange Bowl and remember how empty the stadium was. Everybody was bummed about not playing for the NC and that’s the first time I ever saw the “it’s just a bowl game, who cares” attitude. This is still prevalent in the UF fan base. You would think a couple of 4-8 seasons would remedy this but nope. Winning 10 games and playing in a prestigious bowl will always mean a lot to me but I’m the minority.
Fans get spoiled very, very quickly, especially younger fans that weren't around where going to a good bowl game, championship or not, was a good, and fun, season. Getting a taste of a national title will also do it. Once you know what it's like, it's hard for some people to tolerate anything less. Some of that is human nature, I guess, but it's a terrible way to live if you're a fan of any school not named Alabama or Clemson at the present moment. It's like you're destined to be unhappy more times than you're happy, so what's the point of even being a fan if nothing less than a title can ever be truly enjoyable anymore? You can't affect the outcomes of these games, so might as well enjoy the good when it presents itself.
My favorite gripes are "we are paying our coach X amount of money, we deserve better than we're getting." Well, when almost every coach is making over 5 million a year in your conference, most of them aren't going to win like what they perceive a coach that "expensive" should. The arms race is essentially pretty even amongst the top 7-8 programs in the conference. They all have big fan bases. They all have money. They all have plenty of resources. The inherent program differences are razor thin for the most part. It's just that inflation for coaching salaries has sky rocketed and some can't seem to grasp that it's all relative and that a 5 million coach now was a $600-750k coach 20 years ago
This post was edited on 12/3/20 at 12:53 am
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