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re: Joe Montana: Dan Marino was better than me, he’s the best of all-time
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:38 pm to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 8/31/23 at 9:38 pm to MontyFranklyn
quote:I still do it, lol
That pat was mimicked so much in sand lot football
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Posted on 8/31/23 at 10:39 pm to shinerfan
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Are we playing by 70s and 80s rules? Because you could also argue the 2022 chiefs would be shell shocked the first time a wide receiver got their head taken off or Mahomes got slammed into the ground 2-3 seconds after the play and no flag was thrown.
The 1985 Bears had four players over 275 lbs. and only one over 300 lbs. That ain't scaring anyone today. I don't care what rules you're playing.
Marino set his records in 1984 and smoked the '85 Bears with a bunch of 5'9'' smurfs playing WR. Somehow they thrived in the era of ultimate badasses running around taking heads off everywhere.
I mean, no one in the modern day NFL has ever gotten the shite knocked out of them in their life. They would probably just quit and walk out of the stadium crying against fronts that average about 50 lbs. less than they're used to and DB's who are slower and 40 years behind on game evolution.
Posted on 8/31/23 at 11:22 pm to LanierSpots
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Tom Brady is the best quarterback of all time and its not even close. Just a ridiculous argument until someone has a better career
Of all the GOAT discussions, this one is the dumbest
You have the WOAT reading comprehension.
Noone said Marino was the GOAT. They said he was the best of all time.
Greatest = most rings/acolades
Best = most talented individually
Posted on 9/1/23 at 2:15 am to Bench McElroy
Drew Brees is light years ahead of Marino and Brees is nowhere near the GOAT convo.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 3:34 am to Bench McElroy
Dan is clearly the most talented QB ever.
People spouting and posting rings have lost the plot. Its a team game.
Luckily, Montana can recognize that simple fact...and that DISTINCTION!
Here's a ring pic:
GOAT?
People spouting and posting rings have lost the plot. Its a team game.
Luckily, Montana can recognize that simple fact...and that DISTINCTION!
Here's a ring pic:
GOAT?
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 3:38 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 6:15 am to Bench McElroy
Marino was the best pure passer ever, that much is true.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:10 am to shinerfan
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Sure the game has changed but Marino trails Philip Rivers in career yards and career TDs.
So you admit the game has changed and then choose to highlight how as an argument against Marino.
He played 17 years and retired as the career leader in yards. Only 2 people ahead of him on that list were even playing when Marino retired - Manning in his first season and Favre. Every other person played in the modern pass happy NFL.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:14 am to TigerIron
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So that would make Joe the 2d best ever QB of Italian descent from Western Pennsylvania.
Western PA is the cradle of QB's.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:17 am to kywildcatfanone
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pure passer
what exactly does this mean? i hear this all the time but what the frick is a "pure" pass?
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:23 am to Bench McElroy
Western Pennsylvania QB's looking out for one another. I love it!
And Joe's not wrong BTW.
And Joe's not wrong BTW.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:29 am to chRxis
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what exactly does this mean? i hear this all the time but what the frick is a "pure" pass?
It means nothing. I can name a dozen guys with stronger arms that threw prettier passes. The greatest throw I ever saw was by Andre Ware. It was effortless and he had a cannon. But was a horrible NFL QB..
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:29 am to faraway
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humble enough to use a running game is a big part of being a great qb
That's on Shula.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 7:30 am to RolltidePA
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It’s absurd the amount of great QB’s that came out of Western PA.
Montana, Marino, Namath, Kelly, Unitas, Blanda. All in the hall of fame.
The Cradle of QB'S.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:18 am to brmark70816
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It means nothing.
i agree.... just waiting on a response from the poster who said it, so they can tell us what they think it means
Posted on 9/1/23 at 8:26 am to redfish99
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Noodle arm Joe ain’t in my top 8. The Ultimate system QB. Very limited physical skills compared to the greats.
You have to be trolling. The irony in your statement is that if you look at the origin of a "system offense," you'll see it began with Bill Walsh designing and implementing it around Montana, NOT the other way around where Joe just walked into a turn-key offense. So your statement would have been more accurate if you said Bill Walsh was the ultimate system coach - which would still be a very stupid statement - but at least slightly more accurate.
Eta: And your noodle arm comment is off the charts ridiculous. Anyone that ever faced Montana with 2 mins left in a game can attest to bullet like, nose of the ball down laser velocity precision.
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 8:50 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:40 am to brmark70816
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what exactly does this mean? i hear this all the time but what the frick is a "pure" pass?
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It means nothing. I can name a dozen guys with stronger arms that threw prettier passes. The greatest throw I ever saw was Andre Ware. It was effortless and he had a cannon. But was a horrible NFL QB..
In the first quoted comment, I think the correct term is "pure passer" and not "pure pass". They're referring to the type of passing or how Marino passed the ball which was so smoothly and effortlessly.
but yeah, Ware wasn't much of an NFL QB because he couldn't read defenses well, kinda like Jamarcus Russell in that regard. All he had to do at the univ of Houston was just sling it in that system he played in there. But I don't understand your comment about "you can name a dozen guys with stronger arms that threw prettier passes". What QB are you saying that about, Marino or Montana?? Montana I can see, but not Marino. No one threw prettier passes than Dan Marino, and to tell you the truth I don't think a QB had a stronger arm than him either because Marino had a cannon. Marino threw some of the tightest spiral passes you'll ever see a QB throw. Dude was the ultimate passer for a QB as for as I'm concerned, he threw passes all over the field, throwing "darts" to some of the shortest WRs you'll ever see.
He never won that elusive Superbowl ring that everyone loves to give the guy a hard time about because he just never had a really good team that he could take all the way. You had to have a team that's good both offensively and defensively, and Dan Marino unfortunately never had that kind of team in his career, otherwise, my man would have a ring. But no QB, Aaron Rodgers or Pat Mahomes threw a tighter, prettier spiral pass with such a quick release than 1 Dan Marino!
I saw highlights of an old Black QB by the name of John Gilliam that started for the Pittsburgh Steelers before Terry Bradshaw and that guy threw some unbelievable passes himself. But unfortunately because of the times or era (the 70s), he was done in by racism after losing just 1 game after going unbeaten in the first 7 games for the Steelers.
After the loss the poor man was benched never to play again and Terry Bradshaw took his place, but that's another story for some other time.This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 9:53 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:55 am to tucoco
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He never won that elusive Superbowl ring that everyone loves to give the guy a hard time abour because he just never had a really good team that he could take all the way. You have have a team that's good both offensively and defensively, and Dan Marino unfortunately never had that kind of team in his career, otherwise, my man would have a ring
Well said. Dan's quick release was insane, it's still the benchmark used today that modern day QB's are judged by. I always liked his ability to feel the pressure and step up and climb the pocket while maintaining a wide balanced base. His mobility obviously failed him at times but has to be considered in the Top 10 of all-time greatest QB's, possibly closer to the 5 spot than the 10th spot imo.
This post was edited on 9/1/23 at 9:59 am
Posted on 9/1/23 at 9:58 am to Tomatocantender
well said yourself, sir. yeah, Dan had a great feel for pressure in the pocket, but you're right, serious knee injuries limited his mobility. He wore thos bulky knee braces, but he was still hard to sack because of that ridiculous quick release.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:20 am to tucoco
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but he was still hard to sack because of that ridiculous quick release
To put in perspective..
Elway with 7,250 pass attempts was sacked 516 times
Marino had 8,358 pass attempts and was sacked only 270 times.
Just because we are talking Joe Montana. He was sacked 313 times on 5,391 pass attempts.
Really an amazing stat, especially when you consider Dan's immobility as a scrambler. It was his movement inside the pocket coupled with his quick release that was all-world and something we will probably never see again.
Posted on 9/1/23 at 11:24 am to Marktastic86
While I don't think Leonard Marshall's hit would get penalized today, let's not forget the hit Jim Burt (who became Montana's teammate a few years later) put on Montana in the '86 playoffs. That would get flagged every damn time in this era.
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