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Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:10 pm to navy
I think most at the time felt Woodson over Manning was terrible. I think Woodson helped validate how great he was by becoming one of the best defenders ever in the NFL. If you're going to give the Heisman to a defensive player, it's at least someone who proved it not only in college but at the highest level as well. Maybe if Peyton could have beaten UF just once, he could have won it. I had a problem with this one when it happened, but it doesn't bother me at all today.
Steve Nash's second MVP came at the expense of Kobe, who had never had one at that time and deserved it that year. That bad decision resulted in Kobe winning it the next year, when it should have been given to CP3, but since Kobe never won one and should have the year before, they gave it to him even though CP3 was more deserving.
Steve Nash's second MVP came at the expense of Kobe, who had never had one at that time and deserved it that year. That bad decision resulted in Kobe winning it the next year, when it should have been given to CP3, but since Kobe never won one and should have the year before, they gave it to him even though CP3 was more deserving.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:12 pm to ZZTIGERS
George Rogers over HErschel in 1980, in those days it was unthinkable to give the Heisman to an underclassman (literally was never done at that point) and RARELY was it even given to a junior.
Archie griffin in his 2nd heisman year is laughable as well.
Archie griffin in his 2nd heisman year is laughable as well.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
Vince Young over Marques Colston 2006 Offensive RoY
Vince had just a many turnovers (19) as he had TDs (passing and rushing combined) and completed only 51% of his passes. Trash.
Colston had almost 1100 yds on just 70 receptions with 8 TDs.
Vince had just a many turnovers (19) as he had TDs (passing and rushing combined) and completed only 51% of his passes. Trash.
Colston had almost 1100 yds on just 70 receptions with 8 TDs.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:26 pm to TeddyPadillac
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I think most at the time felt Woodson over Manning was terrible. I think Woodson helped validate how great he was by becoming one of the best defenders ever in the NFL. If you're going to give the Heisman to a defensive player, it's at least someone who proved it not only in college but at the highest level as well.
I've always defended Woodson over Manning. Woodson was a great, great player. If Peyton had to lose out, at least it was to a guy who was great.
That's why I posted Jason White ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. I can stomach one great beating another great out, but White was a ho hum guy who beat out a great.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:31 pm to Rep520
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I've always defended Woodson over Manning. Woodson was a great, great player. If Peyton had to lose out, at least it was to a guy who was great.
That's why I posted Jason White ahead of Larry Fitzgerald. I can stomach one great beating another great out, but White was a ho hum guy who beat out a great.
People forget Randy Moss was a finalist that year and only received a small amount of first place votes, dude fricking lit fools on fire that season scored 26 receiving TDs
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:33 pm to Rep520
I love the revisionist history on White.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:34 pm to Rep520
Paul Hornung was a horrible Heisman winner. The worst ever IMO. Fifth plce finisher was Jim Brown who was on a 7-2 Syracuse team or Johnny Majors who was on a 10-1 Tennessee team.
As a senior, Hornung ranked second nationally in total offense (1,337 yards). Hornung is the only player from a losing team (Notre Dame finished 2-8 in '56) ever to win the Heisman Trophy. Hornung threw for 3 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Hornung also kicked 14 extra points during the 1956 season.
As a senior, Hornung ranked second nationally in total offense (1,337 yards). Hornung is the only player from a losing team (Notre Dame finished 2-8 in '56) ever to win the Heisman Trophy. Hornung threw for 3 touchdowns and 13 interceptions. Hornung also kicked 14 extra points during the 1956 season.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:41 pm to sms151t
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I love the revisionist history on White.
Even that year, Matt Leinart had a higher QB rating. Phillip Rivers did too, and they both wound up further down in Heisman voting. Even Ben Roethlisberger had a higher QB rating that year.
White was a good college QB, but he was a good player, not great on a team people thought was the best. He wasn't even objectively the best QB that year, and it wasn't close.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 2:42 pm to LSUBoo
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Shakespeare In Love over Saving Private Ryan.
This is so ludicrous.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 5:56 pm to TheCaterpillar
Derrick Henry winning over Fournette.
Yes I know he had more yards........but played in 3 extra games. Fournette had one bad game ........against Bama.
Henry only had 52 yards against ULM...........yes ULM.....your Heisman winner had 52 yards on 13 carries against ULM...........and it wasnt that he didnt play either.
Total BS.
Yes I know he had more yards........but played in 3 extra games. Fournette had one bad game ........against Bama.
Henry only had 52 yards against ULM...........yes ULM.....your Heisman winner had 52 yards on 13 carries against ULM...........and it wasnt that he didnt play either.
Total BS.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:17 pm to ZZTIGERS
Great topic. The 1990 A's had a potent lineup, and the Red Sox didn't. The result was another 4 game sweep by Oakland
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:20 pm to Dumpster
Did Crouch have a bad game like Grossman did v Lsu in 2002? The Tigers hammered Florida at the Swamp, 36-7. I was there. That game cost him
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:23 pm to ZZTIGERS
The Double Murderer winning the Heisman.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 6:26 pm to TigerStripes06
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Charles Woodson over Peyton Manning is the biggest joke in that awards history.
“And there's Charles Woodson! How about that, huh? What a season he had. Great, man, he … he became the first defensive player to win the Heisman trophy. And congratulations, Charles. That is something that no one can ever take away from you. Unless you kill your wife and waiter, in which case all bets are off."
-Norm MacDonald
Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:00 pm to Rep520
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White was a good college QB, but he was a good player, not great on a team people thought was the best. He wasn't even objectively the best QB that year, and it wasn't close.
No team had such a quick fall in the public's eye than 2003 Oklahoma.
As one Sooner player put it after the Big12 title game: "We went from the greatest team of all-time...and now we apparently suck."
After Kansas St. Whipped them 35-7, the public turned on them as a fraud going to the BCS title game.
I've never seen such a 180 by the public.
The love-fest for them and Jason White was over before they even stepped foot in the Sugar Bowl.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 7:03 pm
Posted on 7/5/18 at 7:42 pm to Muthsera
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Eric Crouch and the lifetime achievement for being white award. How pathetic is it that Crouch has a Heisman and Frazier doesn't?
Frazier missed several games in 1994 and Eddie George was definitely a worthy winner in 1995
Posted on 7/6/18 at 12:45 am to tilco
Ingram averaged a full yard per carry more and had more yard in a tougher running conference. Also Stanford finished 4th in their conference
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 12:52 am
Posted on 7/6/18 at 8:20 am to Glorious
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and had more yard in a tougher running conference
No he didn’t, you see no one plays a conference they play teams and when you play for Alabama you don’t have to run against Alabama’s defense. also as noted in this thread multiple times TG played against several more higher ranked run defenses than Alabama did that season.
This post was edited on 7/6/18 at 9:32 am
Posted on 7/6/18 at 9:53 am to H-Town Tiger
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Yet, when you look at Gerhart he played Arizona State (18), Arizona (22), Oregon State (25), California (27), Oregon (39), and USC (42).
Yeah, no one is ever going to talk about how awesome any of these teams were against the run. In a mediocre conference with mediocre offenses (aside from Oregon) and mediocre defenses, stats become self-licking ice cream cones. Can't take stat rankings seriously.
People like to conveniently forget how terrible the PAC was in 2009. Oregon was the only 10-game winner (10-3). USC finished 5th in its own conference. ASU won 4 games. Everyone else lost at least 5 games. Cal was ranked as high as #6 in the country at one point and ended up with almost as many losses, including being destroyed 42-3 and 30-3 in back-to-back weeks. The conference went 2-5 in bowls.
Meanwhile, the SEC was in its heyday. You had the two best teams in college football in Florida and Alabama. Out of a 14-team league, only 2 finished with a losing record. It produced a national champion, a Sugar Bowl champion and a Cotton Bowl champion. It was also in the midst of producing a fourth-straight national champion.
You can prop up stats all day and boast about fricking Cal's run defense, or admit that Gerhart played in the worst P5 conference by a wide margin while Ingram put up similar stats while playing in *the* premier conference. That obviousness is why Ingram won the Heisman, not because everyone went to bed at 8pm while PAC games were on. That excuse might have flown 30 years ago, but in 2009 (and today) it comes off as a cheap whine.
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