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re: Is this what NIL was designed to be? A major NCAA corporate sponsor chooses
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:50 am to nicholastiger
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:50 am to nicholastiger
I laugh at the people who thought this would help with parity. 
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Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:51 am to goldennugget
You make it sound like this is a completely new, unprecedented problem.
How do minor league baseball clubs handle an 18 year old millionaire walking into a locker room full of career journeymen? How do English Premier League clubs handle the next anointed wunderkind getting called up to compete for the spot of the 15 year vet? Hell, how does an NFL club handle the number 1 overall pick walking into the locker room thinking he’s hot shite?
The notion that ego is a new thing in sports, or that allowing college athletes to benefit off their NIL (the way that every other athlete in the world does) will somehow immediately ruin every locker room, is just patently absurd.
Diva players are going to have diva attitudes, hard workers aren’t, and coaches are going to have the responsibility of balancing the personalities. In many locker rooms they’ll be successful, in others they won’t. That’s competitive sports. Telling tens of thousands of athletes that they can’t benefit off their talent because you want to marginally lower the chances of a coach failing to balance conflicting personalities is just dumb.
How do minor league baseball clubs handle an 18 year old millionaire walking into a locker room full of career journeymen? How do English Premier League clubs handle the next anointed wunderkind getting called up to compete for the spot of the 15 year vet? Hell, how does an NFL club handle the number 1 overall pick walking into the locker room thinking he’s hot shite?
The notion that ego is a new thing in sports, or that allowing college athletes to benefit off their NIL (the way that every other athlete in the world does) will somehow immediately ruin every locker room, is just patently absurd.
Diva players are going to have diva attitudes, hard workers aren’t, and coaches are going to have the responsibility of balancing the personalities. In many locker rooms they’ll be successful, in others they won’t. That’s competitive sports. Telling tens of thousands of athletes that they can’t benefit off their talent because you want to marginally lower the chances of a coach failing to balance conflicting personalities is just dumb.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:56 am to funnystuff
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You make it sound like this is a completely new, unprecedented problem.
How do minor league baseball clubs handle an 18 year old millionaire walking into a locker room full of career journeymen? How do English Premier League clubs handle the next anointed wunderkind getting called up to compete for the spot of the 15 year vet? Hell, how does an NFL club handle the number 1 overall pick walking into the locker room thinking he’s hot shite?
The notion that ego is a new thing in sports, or that allowing college athletes to benefit off their NIL (the way that every other athlete in the world does) will somehow immediately ruin every locker room, is just patently absurd.
Diva players are going to have diva attitudes, hard workers aren’t, and coaches are going to have the responsibility of balancing the personalities. In many locker rooms they’ll be successful, in others they won’t. That’s competitive sports. Telling tens of thousands of athletes that they can’t benefit off their talent because you want to marginally lower the chances of a coach failing to balance conflicting personalities is just dumb.
If you make any other arguement other than this, I have to believe you are on the same intelligence level as a 4 year old.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:56 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Kind of like...hotshot rookies in the NFL?
Everyone in the NFL is getting paid, part of collective bargaining, and is a professional.
Apples and oranges
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:57 am to goldennugget
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Everyone in the NFL is getting paid, part of collective bargaining, and is a professional.
Apples and oranges
And QBs still make more of their endorsement deals than most of their teammates make in their careers.
If OL get upset their QB makes more than them they have a lifetime of disappointment ahead of them.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 10:58 am
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:58 am to funnystuff
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You make it sound like this is a completely new, unprecedented problem.
How do minor league baseball clubs handle an 18 year old millionaire walking into a locker room full of career journeymen? How do English Premier League clubs handle the next anointed wunderkind getting called up to compete for the spot of the 15 year vet? Hell, how does an NFL club handle the number 1 overall pick walking into the locker room thinking he’s hot shite?
The notion that ego is a new thing in sports, or that allowing college athletes to benefit off their NIL (the way that every other athlete in the world does) will somehow immediately ruin every locker room, is just patently absurd.
Diva players are going to have diva attitudes, hard workers aren’t, and coaches are going to have the responsibility of balancing the personalities. In many locker rooms they’ll be successful, in others they won’t. That’s competitive sports. Telling tens of thousands of athletes that they can’t benefit off their talent because you want to marginally lower the chances of a coach failing to balance conflicting personalities is just dumb.
There is a major cultural difference between amateur/professional sports.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:59 am to SammyTiger
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And QBs still make more of their endorsement deals than most of their teammates make in their careers.
If OL get upset their QB makes more than them they have a lifetime of disappointment ahead of them.
There is a difference.
NFL QBs generally have proven themselves to get that far.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:59 am to nicholastiger
Between NIL & the super league formations I can see myself just not giving a shite about college athletics in a few years. Right now football is basically the only thing I still care about, and I can feel my interest in football starting to decline.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:01 am to PhilipMarlowe
I can't imagine letting players make money on the side have any effect on how much I enjoy a sport.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 11:03 am
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:04 am to pvilleguru
Yeah well you're a Bama fan
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:05 am to Bestbank Tiger
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Kind of like...hotshot rookies in the NFL?
Yeah but NFL veterans can treat NFL rookies like shite. Also different when you are 21 22 years old in a room of guys in their late 20s and early 30s. In college, they would get expelled for hazing.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:12 am to goldennugget
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You have offensive lineman who spent 3 years working their asses off in the strength & conditioning programs, meeting rooms, practice field, who aren't going to see much, yet you have guys who haven't accomplished jack shite yet getting these deals.
So what are they going to do? Quit and not get the NIL deals they weren't getting in the first place?
Transfer to another school and continue to not get the NIL deals they weren't getting at their former school?
This isn't Clemson deciding to pay their QB a significant amount and their average right guard nothing. It's the free market. Dr. Pepper has decided to feature a guy who plays the most marketable position on one of the most marketable teams in their ad.
QBs are more marketable for endorsement deals and (in pro football when the teams pay everyone) command the highest salaries. If an OL is going to get mad about that then he is going to have a miserable career.
Trevor Lawrence, who hasn't played a single NFL snap, has significantly more endorsement deals than his LG, Andrew Norwell, who has been in the league 8 years. Somehow I think Norwell understands that's how the business aspect works.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:15 am to nicholastiger
This whole thing makes me laugh.
I guess people really are stupid enough to buy something because some 20 year old says so.
And since people are going to buy based on the stupid Subway commercials, yes people are that stupid.
I guess people really are stupid enough to buy something because some 20 year old says so.
And since people are going to buy based on the stupid Subway commercials, yes people are that stupid.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:26 am to pvilleguru
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We've been here for quite some time.
Yes we've had a string of years where Bama, Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, and LSU have had a stranglehold.
But it wasn't that long ago Missouri, Boise State, WVU, UCF, Baylor, VT, Kansas, Louisville, Utah, Oklahoma state and Hawaii played and won in some big time bowl games.
Remember people used to laugh at Clemson. After that stomping they received from WVU in the Orange bowl they have become 2nd to only Bama in the past decade.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:32 am to LB84
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College football as we knew it from 1973 to last year is forever gone.
College football before 1973 was almost just as dominated by the "bluebloods" as it has been since then. A "blueblood" won the AP championship every season from 1961 - 1975. By "bluebloods," I mean the nine-winningest programs in history - Michigan, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Penn State, and Southern Cal.
"Non-blueblood" AP national champions before 1973
1936 - Minnesota
1937 - Pitt
1938 - TCU
1939 - A&M
1940 - Minnesota
1941 - Minnesota
1944 - Army
1945 - Army
1952 - Michigan State
1953 - Maryland
1957 - Auburn
1958 - LSU
1959 - Syracuse
1960 - Minnesota
"Non-blueblood AP national champions after 1973
1976 - Pitt
1980 - Georgia
1981 - Clemson
1983 - Miami
1984 - BYU
1987 - Miami
1989 - Miami
1990 - Colorado
1991 - Miami
1993 - Florida State
1996 - Florida
1998 - Tennessee
1999 - Florida State
2001 - Miami
2006 - Florida
2007 - LSU
2008 - Florida
2010 - Auburn
2013 - Florida State
2016 - Clemson
2018 - Clemson
2019 - LSU
I'm not sure much will change. To me, the concentration of power (which will only increase) is more evident in the playoff teams. Four teams (Alabama, Clemson, Ohio State, and Oklahoma) have taken up 21/28 (75%) of all playoff spots ever awarded. That's not going to change, especially with the NIL.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:35 am to Alt26
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So what are they going to do? Quit and not get the NIL deals they weren't getting in the first place?
Transfer to another school and continue to not get the NIL deals they weren't getting at their former school?
The negative effects will be felt in terms of locker room cohesion and culture.
I can tell many of you have never been in a college locker room before.
Locker room unity goes a long, long way in terms of how successful a team can be.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:37 am to LB84
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But it wasn't that long ago Missouri, Boise State, WVU, UCF, Baylor, VT, Kansas, Louisville, Utah, Oklahoma state and Hawaii played and won in some big time bowl games
How many of those teams won because they were stacked with talent?
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:53 am to nicholastiger
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How is that fair to any other university whose star QB wasn't given same opportunity.
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:54 am to pvilleguru
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How many of those teams won because they were stacked with talent?
Stacked none, but those teams would have little to no talent on them if it was before 1973. Teams would give scholarships to guys just so they couldn't play for other teams.
This NIL will be used in a similar way. Sign with us, you probably won't play for a couple years but we'll get you some "sponsorships"
Clemson didn't have a top 10 recruiting class from 1996-2010.
That comes from getting some talent and winning. Tajh Boyd, Sammy Watkins, and company made Clemson attractive. If it was the old days they would never have attended Clemson.
This post was edited on 8/11/21 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:55 am to goldennugget
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That won't go over well in the locker rooms
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