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I'm starting to see how ATL rationalized taking Penix
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:29 am
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:29 am
Kirk is 35 off a blown achilles tendon, so injury/durability are just as concerning as they are with Penix. Even if healthy, it's realistic Kirk's play could decline rapidly over the next couple seasons.
Penix's only knock is durability. He handles the pocket well and by many accounts is the best pure passer in the draft. Under current league rules, it's unlikely Penix will be exposed to a ton of big hits, and low hits on the QB are almost gone from the game.
I think ATL is hoping they can get 1-2 healthy playoff seasons out of Kirk before his decline begins and at that point turn the reigns over to Penix and deal Kirk to a contending team kind of like the Jets aim with acquiring Rodgers.
If Kirk does get injured in year one or two, you have better odds of making the playoffs with Penix as you do with someone like Marcus Mariota or Taylor Heinicke.
Penix's only knock is durability. He handles the pocket well and by many accounts is the best pure passer in the draft. Under current league rules, it's unlikely Penix will be exposed to a ton of big hits, and low hits on the QB are almost gone from the game.
I think ATL is hoping they can get 1-2 healthy playoff seasons out of Kirk before his decline begins and at that point turn the reigns over to Penix and deal Kirk to a contending team kind of like the Jets aim with acquiring Rodgers.
If Kirk does get injured in year one or two, you have better odds of making the playoffs with Penix as you do with someone like Marcus Mariota or Taylor Heinicke.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 11:33 am
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Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:31 am to Minden tiger
So best case scenario they burned a pile of cash and the biggest advantage in football (young QB on a rookie deal)
Brilliant
Brilliant
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:31 am to Minden tiger
If penix was 21, I don't think people would be as harsh. He's turning 24, so it's possible he might not play until 26-27.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:32 am to RLDSC FAN
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If penix was 21, I don't think people would be as harsh. He's turning 24, so it's possible he might not play until 26-27.
Would still be a bad move, but definitely more understandable for a Maye or McCarthy type development QB
4 season ending surgeries in college on top of that
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:34 am to Minden tiger
It's a classic risk management situation. They do t want to be caught with their pants down w/the QB situation like the last couple of years.
I love the pick. I know I'm in the minority but that's fine. Penix is gonna be a fantastic pro IMO.
I love the pick. I know I'm in the minority but that's fine. Penix is gonna be a fantastic pro IMO.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:34 am to RLDSC FAN
People.are making too much about his age.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:34 am to wildtigercat93
This
They are throwing away the biggest advantage of hitting on a rookie quarterback, the contract.
They are throwing away the biggest advantage of hitting on a rookie quarterback, the contract.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:36 am to Minden tiger
If they’re not worried about 2 years of big contract it’s really fine. If you think Penix is a franchise guy you do it 10/10x.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:36 am to St Augustine
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:37 am to Minden tiger
ATL out here playing 4D chess, already thinking ahead to Penix’s second contract & if you don’t play him in the first 4 years, he can’t demand Dak type money. Lol
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:37 am to Minden tiger
You give 100 million to a new QB.
You have a top 10 pick.
You have a chance to address Edge (latu or turner) WR2 (Odunze) or the olinemen after alt and Latham.
Any of those choices benefits both your new 100 million dollar QB AND the team.
Instead they chose someone in the top 10 who won’t see the field for a minimum of two years. And his contract isn’t free
You have a top 10 pick.
You have a chance to address Edge (latu or turner) WR2 (Odunze) or the olinemen after alt and Latham.
Any of those choices benefits both your new 100 million dollar QB AND the team.
Instead they chose someone in the top 10 who won’t see the field for a minimum of two years. And his contract isn’t free
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:37 am to wildtigercat93
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So best case scenario they burned a pile of cash and the biggest advantage in football (young QB on a rookie deal)
Brilliant
Not saying it was smart necessarily, but if you don't have a QB you have nothing, and Kirk is not a sure thing at this point in his career. If you feel like you can get the best passer in the draft and he could see the field in 1-3 years you take him. It's reminiscent of the Jordan Love situation for me, but you do add in enhanced injury risk for the prospect. It's a big swing and all I'm saying is I don't hate it.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:40 am to Minden tiger
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Kirk is 35 off a blown achilles tendon, so injury/durability are just as concerning as they are with Penix. Even if healthy, it's realistic Kirk's play could decline rapidly over the next couple seasons.
Then why sign him to a huge contract with $100M guaranteed? If you were going to take Penix, then sign Jacoby Brissett to a 1 year deal and load up the rest of the roster. That's why this was so damn stupid.
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Penix's only knock is durability
No the hell it isn't. There are serious questions about his accuracy, ability to throw over the middle, and ability to handle a pass rush.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:44 am to Minden tiger
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Kirk is 35 off a blown achilles tendon, so injury/durability are just as concerning
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Penix's only knock is durability
Addressing weaknesses by doubling down
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:49 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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People.are making too much about his age.
yup
if he can give you 8-10 solid years, him being a couple years older is irrelevant. obviously, brady is an extreme example, but even matthew stafford is in his mid-30s and playing at a pretty high level
now, penix's health is a major concern though, and all the medical issues he has should be the bigger question mark. will his body be able to withstand the rigors and hits of a full NFL season for a long time
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:49 am to SteelerBravesDawg
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People.are making too much about his age.
No they're not. He could potentially be 30 when he starts playing and Atlanta will have wasted his rookie deal with him sitting on the bench. One of the worst draft blunders of all time.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:57 am to Minden tiger
I feelmlike there are benefits to sitting a QB but the way rookie contracts work if you sit them 3 years you have 2 years to figure out if you’re going to give them 50 million dollars.
You also waste most of your year with an affordable QB.
You also waste most of your year with an affordable QB.
Posted on 4/26/24 at 11:59 am to Minden tiger
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Not saying it was smart necessarily, but if you don't have a QB you have nothing, and Kirk is not a sure thing at this point in his career. If you feel like you can get the best passer in the draft and he could see the field in 1-3 years you take him. It's reminiscent of the Jordan Love situation for me, but you do add in enhanced injury risk for the prospect. It's a big swing and all I'm saying is I don't hate it.
I love how the only way to defend the pennix pick, is to highlight how bad of a risk the Kirk cousins deal is in its own right
Further cementing that this is just a terrible use of resources no matter how you slice it, and even if Pennix hits
Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:03 pm to Minden tiger
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Kirk is 35 off a blown achilles tendon, so injury/durability are just as concerning as they are with Penix. Even if healthy, it's realistic Kirk's play could decline rapidly over the next couple seasons.
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Penix's only knock is durability.
so they paid 180 million to a veteran with durability concerns...and then drafted a QB in the top 10 a few months later with durability concerns
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I think ATL is hoping they can get 1-2 healthy playoff seasons out of Kirk before his decline begins and at that point turn the reigns over to Penix and deal Kirk to a contending team kind of like the Jets aim with acquiring Rodgers.
They didn't pay Cousins what they did to bench him in 2 years
Conventional wisdom says that when you sign a veteran QB for that much money, you're probably going to try to build a team around him for a run, not draft his potential replacement 3-4 years from now with your first pick.
This post was edited on 4/26/24 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 4/26/24 at 12:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
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If penix was 21, I don't think people would be as harsh.
Nah, it’s still beyond stupid to sign Cousins to that big of a deal less than 2 months ago. We are not talking about a situation like with Aaron Rodgers that a guy projected to go 1 overall slides to the late 20s. It’s not even Daniels or Maye falling or if Cousins got hurt since they signed him. They knew they had the 8th pick, and everyone knew Penix would be there. It’s absolutely malpractice to both sign Rodgers and take Penix 8th
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