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re: How is Florida so good at producing Ice Hockey championships and Canada is so putrid
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:28 pm to Zappas Stache
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:28 pm to Zappas Stache
quote:The question put forth by the OP was why does Florida have more championships in recent years than Canada
In 1999, if state income tax was so important you'd think they would have a couple more championships.
No income tax and the way that you can sign players at a lower price and over the 23 players on the team and coaches and support staff and cost of running a franchise in a facility that adds up and makes a difference
Of course .the absence of a state income tax is not the only reason teams win championships
no one ever said it's the only reason
it's the primary reason that Canada professional teams struggle compared to Florida teams in the N H L
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Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:31 pm to LSU82BILL
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Canadian players pay less or no income taxes when playing in the US.
Unless Canada is different than the US (and I presume not, I’m just not 100% sure), this is incorrect
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:33 pm to Zappas Stache
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Why did it take Florida teams 29 and 30 years to win a Stanley Cup if they had such an advantage signing players?
As soon as the organizations got serious about winning, they started winning.
Acting like the no income tax thing isn’t real is fricking retarded. The players themselves will tell you it matters. It’s not the only thing, but it absolutely matters.
“Oh I can go play in Florida, live outside of Miami close to the beach, the team is good, and I get to keep more of my money? Sign me up.”
Pretty simple concept
Posted on 6/19/25 at 7:34 am to Jack Ruby
Canadians.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:20 am to Jack Ruby
capitalism > socialism
maybe the free medical care drags them down
maybe the free medical care drags them down
Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:24 am to Jack Ruby
This is such a dumb op… yet again.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 8:30 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Yep. The organization is great. The owner, GM, and coach are great. Canada charges way more in state/provincial income taxes. Shitloads of Canadians come to Florida every year for tax reasons and because it’s just a nicer place to live than that frozen hellscape.
Would you rather be in feet or snow and slush or…
Would you rather be in feet or snow and slush or…
Posted on 6/19/25 at 11:16 am to Zappas Stache
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a great GM and scouts
I don’t follow the NHL but this is the actual answer. Based on the record it would seem Florida and Tampa have good organizations that have assembled good teams. I doubt it has anything to do with weather or taxes. MLB and NBA players routinely sign with teams in high tax cities and states.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:40 pm to Old Money
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For the Panthers the answer is Zito. Masterful acquisitions. Maurice can get the most out of a skilled roster which is why he came here.
This is the answer. Brilliant front office and team management.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:44 pm to St Augustine
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Would you rather be in feet or snow and slush or…
That is not the reason, if it was why aren’t the Magic winning NBA title after NBA title?
When is the last time the Dolphins won? Meanwhile we had a dynasty in New England and a dominant run in KC, Philly has been in 2 of the last 3 SB
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 1:48 pm to Jack Ruby
Canada teams don’t have to be good to sell out arenas. Florida fans aren’t coming if you’re not good.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 2:01 pm to Auburn80
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Canada teams don’t have to be good to sell out arenas. Florida fans aren’t coming if you’re not good.
For the love of God, how do teams get players? I don’t follow hockey but even I know they have a draft, minors. Teams that win a high level like the Panthers have the last 3 years are good because whoever is responsible for assembling the team has done a good job nothing more complicated than that
I’m sure taxes and weather don’t hurt him when talking to free agents but you still have to have a good base, know which players fit your team best.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:09 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Acting like the no income tax thing isn’t real is fricking retarded. The players themselves will tell you it matters
It matters but not to the extent of being a major factor in developing a Stanley cup winner. A great GM and coach are way more important. See my previous post about Florida teams not winning a cup until the last 5 years , what took them so long if it was all about taxes?
Posted on 6/19/25 at 3:50 pm to H-Town Tiger
It’s a big part of it. Maybe not specifically tax free states but everywhere in the US is cheaper than Canada from a tax standpoint, even NYC and LA. Also, if you are a NHL player in Canada you are hounded by media. A goalie in Edmonton loses his team a game he can’t walk the streets without hearing it. Same goalie could lose game 7, walk into a Miami Home Depot buck necked having a schizo episode and would just be another Florida Man.
Posted on 6/19/25 at 4:13 pm to IamNotaRobot
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It’s a big part of it. Maybe not specifically tax free states but everywhere in the US is cheaper than Canada
Are we talking about taxes or weather? The post I was responding to asked if you’d rather live in (pic of mansion on water) or snow and slush? I’m sorry it’s just stupid to say that’s why the Panthers and TB have won 4 Stanley Cupa recently
I agree the taxes and overall cost of living (f/x rate is big too) can hurt Canadian teams but it didn’t stop the Raptors from winning an NBA title in 2019. K Leonard was a big piece and he hauled arse back to the states as soon as he could but they still put together a very good team, they made the playoffs multiple times before breaking thru. George Springer signed with the Blue Jays after leaving the Astros. And many (most?) hockey players are from Canada so it’s probably not as big a deal for them, certainly not all of them. And Edmonton was in the finals 2 years in a row, i really doubt they lost because no one wants to play there due to weather and or taxes.
This post was edited on 6/19/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:04 pm to H-Town Tiger
It is easier for US players to avoid the taxes than it is for a Canada citizen. Springer was no spring chicken when he signed his contract and took what we could. Vlad Jr signed a monster contract, $500M, and most is in bonus form since those aren’t taxed at the federal level if your permanent residence is in the states (he’s in Florida).
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:10 pm to UnclePat76
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Florida and Tampa also have the weather factor. Who wants ti play in Edmonton, Calgary or Vancouver in January?
You know they play inside, right?
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:12 pm to H-Town Tiger
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For the love of God, how do teams get players? I don’t follow hockey but even I know they have a draft, minors. Teams that win a high level like the Panthers have the last 3 years are good because whoever is responsible for assembling the team has done a good job nothing more complicated than that
Every single one of the panthers best players were signed as free agents or traded for
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:55 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Every single one of the panthers best players were signed as free agents or traded for
Does that happen by osmosis or did the GM or some actively go after the players?
Also where the free agents come from? All from Canadian teams? Did they trade for players because the other team wanted to help the players out with taxes and nicer weather and called the Panthers or did the GM go after certain players that fit his teams needs? Arizona has nice weather why did that team struggle and move? Texas has low taxes why did Dallas lose to Edmonton? 2 years in a row?
Posted on 6/19/25 at 6:56 pm to GoldenGuy
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You know they play inside, right?
You know they have to live in that city right? Put down the crayons and get with it.
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