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Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:43 am to Rankest
He was pretty good. Almost on par with Will Clark.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:54 am to VerlanderBEAST
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Bonds
Pujols
A-Rod
Judge
Ichiro
Manny
Chipper
he was ahead of everyone one of those except bonds and maybe arod. Trout is the only other one like him
the fact you mention someone like ichiro or chipper in the same breath is laughable
griffey won 10 straight gold gloves
compare best 8 consecutive seasons and griffey beats everyone but Judge and Arod in home runs, 8 straight gold gloves
ill give you peak bonds, peak trout, peak arod, peak pujols and judge as an argument all day. Bonds is better, no questions asked. the others its comparable unless you put stock in WAR...i dont put a ton
but to put Chipper, ichiro, and manny in the same conversation is laughable. not even close. Even judge you are talking 1 more hr per year and thats only if you adjust the stats for 2020 to hypothetical. i mean in best 8 season, griffey averaged ~44 HR. from 96-99 he averaged 52 homers per season.
if you look at peak Ken Griffey which was 97-99- 160 homeruns, the 3 season total only ranks below sosa for 99-01(190), sosa for 98-2000(179), McGwire- 97-99 (178), Bonds- 01-03 (164) and Ruth 26-28(161)
look at best 5 seasons.....griffey ranks only behind sosa, McGwire, Bonds, Ruth and ahead of the others you named.
its not until you get to 7 years he falls out the top 5 and its still only dropping behind arod because griffey kept getting hurt.
you way way under estimate peak griffey and how good he was. He was the best centerfielder in the league for 10 years straight
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:58 am to Rankest
90s Griffey has an argument for the greatest CF of all time.
Two things happened with Griffey:
1. Everyone started taking steroids and watered down power numbers. He was a genuine threat to hit 60 HRs and 700 HRs. The subsequent steroid era make people forget how eye popping his power was.
2. He aged like most CFers . . . poorly. CFers often take a career dive after 30 (see Andruw Jones, Mike Trout, Griffey).
Two things happened with Griffey:
1. Everyone started taking steroids and watered down power numbers. He was a genuine threat to hit 60 HRs and 700 HRs. The subsequent steroid era make people forget how eye popping his power was.
2. He aged like most CFers . . . poorly. CFers often take a career dive after 30 (see Andruw Jones, Mike Trout, Griffey).
Posted on 3/6/26 at 11:10 am to ned nederlander
If he had been the CF on the Yankees instead of Bernie Williams, he would be considered a top 5 player of all time and people would say, "didn't those yankees teams have a really good shortstop too?"
And i don't know if this is true, but my memory seems to be this way, but I don't remember anyone wearing a hat backwards until he did it. Then everyone did it. I guess there could have been others but i recall his massive shift one summer and all of sudden everyone was doing it on all the teams at every summer league program and tournament. and all of the dads and coaches would yell at us about it.
And i don't know if this is true, but my memory seems to be this way, but I don't remember anyone wearing a hat backwards until he did it. Then everyone did it. I guess there could have been others but i recall his massive shift one summer and all of sudden everyone was doing it on all the teams at every summer league program and tournament. and all of the dads and coaches would yell at us about it.
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 11:18 am
Posted on 3/6/26 at 11:11 am to Rankest
The sweetest swing in baseball history.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 11:30 am to Uncommon Idea
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Uncommon Idea
That catch in Yankee Stadium was awesome. I was in attendance.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 11:35 am to lsu777
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he was ahead of everyone one of those except bonds and maybe arod.
its not until you get to 7 years he falls out the top 5
yep
Junior's first 7 years were better than Bonds' first 7 years
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:09 pm to lsufanva
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one point he and Bonds were neck and neck for the games best player.
Griffey had a much stronger start to his career.
Frank Thomas was also absolutely ridiculous at the start of his career. I'd argue Griffey was the clear number one until Bonds started bulking up more at the end of his Pittsburgh run.
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Bonds ascended to unfathomable amounts of peds
He upped the ante in San Francisco after McGwire and Sosa got too much attention
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:21 pm to molsusports
Griffey also lost a chunk of his 94 season due to the strike and that was shaping up to be a potential career best, and then he picks up a major injury on 95. Between the two there is a near full season lost in his absolute peak.
If that doesn’t happen you’re looking at a guy that might have hit 50+ hr 5 or 6 times nearly in a row.
Nobody had that power surge post Ruth and pre steroids
If that doesn’t happen you’re looking at a guy that might have hit 50+ hr 5 or 6 times nearly in a row.
Nobody had that power surge post Ruth and pre steroids
Posted on 3/6/26 at 1:25 pm to Rankest
Smoothest left handed swing in baseball.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 5:26 pm to Rankest
He played baseball
Posted on 3/6/26 at 5:43 pm to Nutriaitch
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yep Junior's first 7 years were better than Bonds' first 7 years
Bonds had 10+ WAR
That’s two all star seasons lol
Posted on 3/6/26 at 5:54 pm to MoarKilometers
quote:As a 90s kid he was on that level. Maybe adults viewed in differently, but to the youths of the time they were equals
That's some revisionist history. He was extremely popular, but well shy of on par with Jordan.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 6:04 pm to Rankest
Every 80's born kid wanted to be as cool of Griff
Posted on 3/6/26 at 8:40 pm to Billy Blanks
Pre steroids bonds was definitely an underrated player. I still think Griffey is probably better given the power and premium position defense, but those two are probably the best two players of the 90s and 2 of the best to ever play the game.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:16 pm to DolphinDaddy94
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Bonds ascended to unfathomable amounts of peds
While Ken Griffey Jr. descended into injury hell...
Junior seemed like a good guy (I think his Dad raised him right),
Bonds was a roided up cheater who should never be recognized for any record or be allowed in the HOF.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 9:19 pm to Rankest
Popular, but no where close to MJ.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:06 pm to brmark70816
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How can you be sure neither one used? Are you just taking their word or basing it off asthet
I have no clue if Griffey JR used or not, I'm just going by him having a really normal aging curve and having his skills and numbers decline naturally.
Frank Thomas on the other hand was asking for players to be tested for PEDs in the mid 90s, and he was the only active player to volunteer for the Mitchell report. He was naturally strong as hell and pissed off about guys like Sosa cheating their asses off to put up numbers like his.
You don't ask for everybody to be tested 5-6 years into your career if you are using yourself, Frank is the one dude we can be sure was clean because he was so vociferously against PEDs in the sport, both while he was playing and now.
Posted on 3/6/26 at 10:07 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:autocorrect that was supposed to be Pudge Rodriguez, who was clearly greater Griffey.
Are your eras 50 years or something?
Also Pujols and Griffey played in the majors together for an entire decade they are clearly of the same era
This post was edited on 3/6/26 at 10:09 pm
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