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re: Growing Up at Penn State -- all you need to know about why it was kept quiet
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:42 pm to Zamoro10
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:42 pm to Zamoro10
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What this article sheds light on is that Penn State reacted exactly like a family. They were too close to this to think clearly. It's a reality in prosecuting these types of crimes. Food for thought in trying to comprehend how Paterno and the administration could have failed their duty so miserably.
That's an interesting point about family.
Again none of this should take any blame away from those involved but it is does make it difficult distance ourselves from it by saying "What moral degeneratives, I would never do that!" when statistics show some of the reactions are certainly not out of the ordinary.
And I'm not talking about conscious cover ups so much as the alleged Paterno/GA responses that seem more like "I'll just do the absolute bare minimum and pretend/hope it goes away" approach.
What also probably stings many football fans is that as much as we love to talk about the leadership lessons sport teaches, in this case it would seem that one of the most legendary "leaders" in the history of the sport had a chance to truly be a leader in what may have been the most important moment of his life and acted about as cowardly as humanly possible.
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Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:44 pm to wm72
And if you read the indictment, it's very difficult to believe that Sandusky’s family didn't know about this or at least have massive suspicion of which they never asked questions considering what was happening in his own home.
Where were they? They acted like typical blinded - don't want to confront it family.
Where were they? They acted like typical blinded - don't want to confront it family.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:46 pm to H-Town Tiger
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e might not have realized 100% it was a 10 year old.
do you know how big the avergae ten year old boy is compared to an adult?
Average 10 year old child: 4 ft. 5 inches, 55 lbs.
How in the frick could that be mistaken for an adult?
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:50 pm to Ice Cold
The part I'm most bothered about is how the GA-turned-assistant coach, back in 2002 witnessed the encounter & didn't immediately intervene to defend a child.
What kind of person sees something like that going on & just walks on to later tattle to JoePa?
Disturbing.
What kind of person sees something like that going on & just walks on to later tattle to JoePa?
Disturbing.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:55 pm to TexTgrTed
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The part I'm most bothered about is how the GA-turned-assistant coach, back in 2002 witnessed the encounter & didn't immediately intervene to defend a child.
read the rest of the thread.
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What kind of person sees something like that going on & just walks on to later tattle to JoePa?
that's not exactly what happened. He freaked out, called his dad and who told him to tell Paterno the next morning.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:57 pm to H-Town Tiger
This shite sounds cult like 
Posted on 11/9/11 at 12:57 pm to Sophandros
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People always say, "Well I would have done this or that" when told about some transgression or another, but the fact of the matter is, our brains don't handle things that are extremely shocking or absurd very well.
If you were sitting in a bar and some dude just smashed in a couple patrons' heads, you probably wouldn't rush him or actually DO anything until about the third person because your brain is still trying to process it.
In other words, when really unexpected or bizarre shite happens, our brains tend to freeze up and go WTF? until we can process it better.
Right. But these instances of intervening with violence are completely different IMO
You can just call the cops later on a child rapist
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:I'm fascinated by the facts that:
that's not exactly what happened. He freaked out, called his dad and who told him to tell Paterno the next morning.
1. McQueary (and his father) and Paterno have had this secret between them for 9 years.
2. McQueary stayed on staff and advanced to his current position.
3. Sandusky by all accounts had his PSU privileges limit only by not being able to bring boys on campus. In every other respect, he continued to have the run of the place.
4. As the article points out, all of these families basically grew up together.
I find it inconceivable that Sandusky's behavior was not an "open secret" in that community. It makes me sick to my stomach.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:00 pm to Powerman
After the fact how would he be able to track down the kid? It's not likely that he would have been able to. Then what? His accusations would have 0 merit.
I agree with the posts that said he was so shocked by what he saw that he just wanted to get the hell out of there instead of reacting to it.
I agree with the posts that said he was so shocked by what he saw that he just wanted to get the hell out of there instead of reacting to it.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:01 pm to Powerman
Where was Sandusky's wife during all of these sleep overs with young boys? Anyone else think this is kind of weird? There seems to be a lot of people that looked the other way. How about the DA that did not file criminal charges when he admitted taking showers and hugging little boys naked? WTF is wrong with these people.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:03 pm to Ice Cold
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3. Sandusky by all accounts had his PSU privileges limit only by not being able to bring boys on campus. In every other respect, he continued to have the run of the place.
They have said that they weren't really even able to limit his access to campus, including coming on campus with boys
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
He told his dad exactylu what he saw and couragously reported to Joe Pa. then it was sweep under the rug and they gave him a real job...
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:16 pm to Magruber69
i've never trusted those yankees, with their pale skin and basements
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:19 pm to TutHillTiger
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He told his dad exactylu what he saw and couragously reported to Joe Pa. then it was sweep under the rug and they gave him a real job...
And thus the cover up began.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:20 pm to ZZTIGERS
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you idiots trying to spin this shite for Paterno are disgusting
this, Jim Tressel caught more shite over tatoos and signed jersey selling...
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:21 pm to schlow mo
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3. Sandusky by all accounts had his PSU privileges limit only by not being able to bring boys on campus. In every other respect, he continued to have the run of the place.
quote:That is because someone would have to alert the authorities for the first time to have him removed form the campus and explain why.
They have said that they weren't really even able to limit his access to campus, including coming on campus with boys
Posted on 11/9/11 at 1:24 pm to TutHillTiger
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He told his dad exactylu what he saw and couragously reported to Joe Pa
And JoePa COURAGEOUSLY slept on it until the next morning when he contacted
....drum rolllllllllll...
THE ATHLETIC DIRECTOR!
:RIMSHOT:
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:01 pm to Ice Cold
Very disturbing with weird and slimy rolled in. Happy Valley or Salem's Lot?
Sadly true.
Just to many people doing too little.
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Everyone on here wants to act like they would do the right thing no matter what - even if it involved friends or family (internet is so full of heroes) and yet time and again in real life...when it involves people that people know and grew up with and family and everyone's favorite neighbor - no one wants to confront the reality of it. It's not real to them. They ignore it and hope it goes away. Everyone I've had to interview as a witness who were close to monsters like this were in the biggest denial.
Sadly true.
Just to many people doing too little.
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:04 pm to Sophandros
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I guarantee you if you were sitting in a bar and some dude walked in with a large mallet and started crushing skulls in, he would get through AT LEAST three people before anyone would do anything about it.
I don't understand the point of this.
People always say, "Well I would have done this or that" when told about some transgression or another, but the fact of the matter is, our brains don't handle things that are extremely shocking or absurd very well.
exactly
And we often rely on social context and support cues to know how to respond. I know my brain just wouldn't be equipped to register finding a 60 year old man banging a 10 year old boy in the shower. I would most likely not be moved to immediate action but more likely be thrown into complete shock and disbelief.
When you add in what a trusted and respected figure the apparent pederast is you would then have to figure out how to find someone who would believe that you not only had seen something that unbelievable and shocking... but also that it was a guy who was a highly respected if not iconic figure in the community.
So not only do you have to overcome your own sense of disbelief at what you saw - you then have to overcome the disbelief that everyone else will express with what you saw.
Hopefully I would respond appropriately after the shock wore off and go to the police as well as the PSU administration... but that would be a very difficult series of conversations for the witness (and yes 1000X worse yet for the victim)
Posted on 11/9/11 at 2:23 pm to Sophandros
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I'm talking about McQuery's initial reaction. He probably froze because he was overloaded with the situation. He then went to his dad, probably because that was only person he knew he could trust.
I personally have no issue with his initial reaction. I have a BIG issue with his decision subsequent to the event. Sandusky, even at 58, was a big man. Often times rescuer becomes victim and victim turns perpetrator and triangulation occurs (in this case the kid may be so mind fricked that he actually would possibly come to Sanducky's rescue). I would have had no problem with McQuery if he had not intervened personally but called the cops.
This post was edited on 11/9/11 at 2:26 pm
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